I hope Dawnguard does something to tackle the morality of th : V - Skyrim

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 3:32 pm

We have little information on the Volkihar. The only "source" was "Immortal Blood". While the Cyrodiilic vampires stayed true to their lore, the Volkihar seem to be getting a makeover. Of course, we do not know if the vampires that serve Harkon are the Volkihar. It is implied since the Castle they live in is called "Castle Volkihar." Only time will tell. But vampires are different when it comes to unique powers and abilities. People believe the current vanilla vampires are NOT the Volkihar because of their unique ability to blend in when well-fed. Something that is given to Cyrodiilic vampires. Not to mention Movarth Piquine's apperance and the implied Vampiric worshipers of Clavicus Vile.

Actually if the Stage 4 vampire will not be attacked, I can assume that Volkihar can NOW blend with the society, of coures I can be wrong.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 9:18 am

The road to hell is always paved with good intentions.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 5:12 am

Very presumptuous and ignorant of you to state that as though it is fact.

I'll take that back. Some are some aren't, but only the evil survive

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 6:22 pm

Then perhaps we should quarantine Vampires right? And let them die from hunger. They're both afflicted with dangerous diseases correct?

Hardly, the diseases has nothing in common, but I can certainly see the option being on the table for the un-turned.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 5:32 pm

It's likely to assume Harkon will comment on your vampirism and offer you the "true" path to immortality.

I hope so. Arnbjorn commented on your Lycanthropy, Alva on your vampirism. It is safe to assume Harkon will notice it.

What an annoying thing to say. As if your opinion somehow means more than his/hers.

Clearly you have not been in many of the other threads that the user had visited! You will know what annoying is :stare:

Which raises another question. I went through a dungean once and the boss was aVolkihar Master. While he was a rather tough foe, I don't why he would be there if he had a castle he could go to somewhere in Skyrim. What if Harkon isn't actually a Volkihar but just lives in their old castle because it seems that the Volkihar presense in Skyrim is very low.

Bethesda just got lazy and skipped their lore and slapped in the "Volkihar" stamp on the current vampires. But with new DLC, we can have some light sun on new lore.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 3:11 am

Fine. The "majority" of Vampires are evil. That better for you?

No, because my concept of evil is different to yours. I don't believe they are overly evil at all. Your arrogance in your moral stance is nauseating.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 4:25 am

Actually if the Stage 4 vampire will not be attacked, I can assume that Volkihar can NOW blend with the society, of coures I can be wrong.

Yep, one of effects of Bethesda's new overhaul on vampirism as of the release of the DLC. I hope they at least release an ingame book to support the change :banana:

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 4:18 am

Hardly, the diseases has nothing in common.

Both disease infect other people, both diseases kill others. Except one disease has the potential to destroy your soul, and if you die while afflicted with that disease you belong to Molag Bal for eternity.

... You're right they have nothing in common.

No, because my concept of evil is different to yours. I don't believe they are overly evil at all. Your arrogance in your moral stance is nauseating.

So killing people, destroying peoples souls, blotting out the sun, and infecting them with your disease isn't bad to you?

Alrighty.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 5:26 pm

I think it's funny that the people saying vampires are evil have already been disproven but they continue to say " but they hurt people " and " they're undead so they're evil "

So if my grandmother hit me for stealing her cookies, died, and came back to life. She'd be evil?

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 9:40 am

Dal, hi.

No, because my concept of evil is different to yours. I don't believe they are overly evil at all. Your arrogance in your moral stance is nauseating.

It is amusing to witness the philosophical stance of relativism being taken to the extreme, so that it becomes absolute. How ironic.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 5:43 am

Both disease infect other people, both diseases kill others. Except one disease has the potential to destroy your soul, and if you die with that disease you belong to Molag Bal for eternity.

No offense but that just sounds like your taking what lycanthropy is and replacing key things.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 7:27 am

Both disease infect other people, both diseases kill others. Except one disease has the potential to destroy your soul, and if you die while afflicted with that disease you belong to Molag Bal for eternity.

So killing people, destroying peoples souls, blotting out the sun, and infecting them with your disease isn't bad to you?

Alrighty.

And that really doesn't sound like fun.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 2:32 pm

Bats, mosquitoes and leeches must be evil!

Yeah since they kill humans...

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 6:55 am

I think it's funny that the people saying vampires are evil have already been disproven but they continue to say " but they hurt people " and " they're undead so they're evil "

So if my grandmother hit me for stealing her cookies, died, and came back to life. She'd be evil?

If she tried to kill you after coming back, the yeah. I don't understand the point you're trying to make.

No offense but that just sounds like your taking what lycanthropy is and replacing key things.

Pretty much, but the same logic applies. Hircine created werewolves, therefor all werewolves belong to him.

Molag Bal created Vampires therefor all vampires belong to him. Kind of makes sense don't ya think? And considering what Molag Bal likes to do with his subjects it doesn't sound like too much fun for the vamp.

Hell, Molag bal is torturing his daughter for eternity simply because he didn't like who she was going out with.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 12:54 pm

I think it's funny that the people saying vampires are evil have already been disproven but they continue to say " but they hurt people " and " they're undead so they're evil "

So if my grandmother hit me for stealing her cookies, died, and came back to life. She'd be evil?

Only to yourself and to those like-minded has there been a disproval. You have proven zilch. As for your simile, it makes no sense.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 8:54 am

Getting back on topic, I just hope they don't make the Dawnguard another morally ambiguous faction:

-Companions have werewolves
-College of Winterhold harbors necromancers

It's fine if they make the Volkihar grey, just give us goody two shoes a bone here!

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 11:56 am

No offense but that just sounds like your taking what lycanthropy is and replacing key things.

But it's essentially the same thing:

Molag Bal made vempires and Hircine made werewolves. They own these people's souls because that's what daedric princes do. They see mortals as pawns, servants, and occasionaly, toys. The only exeption I can think of is Azura, but she still doesn't concern herself with the loss of a few worshippers.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 6:16 am

I don't care for any talking about vampires being good.

They will taste my arrows !

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 4:53 am

But it's essentially the same thing:

Molag Bal made vempires and Hircine made werewolves. They own these people's souls because that's what daedric princes do. They see mortals as pawns, servants, and occasionaly, toys. The only exeption I can think of is Azura, but she still doesn't concern herself with the loss of a few worshippers.

Thank you.

I honestly don't understand how people don't see the connection. If you're a vampire, and never get cured you're screwed one way or the other.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 3:39 pm

Getting back on topic, I just hope they don't make the Dawnguard another morally ambiguous faction:

-Companions have werewolves
-College of Winterhold harbors necromancers

It's fine if they make the Volkihar grey, just give us goody two shoes a bone here!

Worst case scenario; some of the dawnguard are vampires.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 1:27 pm

Getting back on topic, I just hope they don't make the Dawnguard another morally ambiguous faction:

-Companions have werewolves
-College of Winterhold harbors necromancers

It's fine if they make the Volkihar grey, just give us goody two shoes a bone here!

Necromancy isn't illegal.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 10:01 am

If she tried to kill you after coming back, the yeah. I don't understand the point you're trying to make.

Pretty much, but the same logic applies. Hircine created werewolves, therefor all werewolves belong to him.

Molag Bal created Vampires therefor all vampires belong to him. Kind of makes sense don't ya think? And considering what Molag Bal likes to do with his subjects it doesn't sound like too much fun for the vamp.

Hell, Molag bal is torturing his daughter for eternity simply because he didn't like who she was going out with.

Lots of things make sense but that doesn't make it so unless it specifically says so somewhere that vampires get trapped in cold-harbour when they die thats not how it works.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 7:05 am

Ignore this post.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 7:40 am

Necromancy isn't illegal.

Perhaps, but it's still an offense to Arkay and a horrible fate to the deceased. Something can be legal and still be morally reprehensible, can it not?

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 4:33 am

Getting back on topic, I just hope they don't make the Dawnguard another morally ambiguous faction:

-Companions have werewolves
-College of Winterhold harbors necromancers

It's fine if they make the Volkihar grey, just give us goody two shoes a bone here!

This is the page I'm on also. Thanks. :tes: