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Post » Fri Jun 22, 2012 3:10 pm

The soul goes to Aetherius, a realm of spirits. They are not destroyed.
Quoting a forum user. He understands ES physics more than I.
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Real world physics are different from Nirn, they do not apply where magic and dragons churn about. And actually, patching up the sun will basically remove a very large hole from mundus. Which is better than the dawnguard's option. Magnus's whistle will no longer allow as much aetherial magicka to seep into mundus, a bad thing to some, a better option for others. The streaming amount after such an event should be equal to what the ayleids harvested within their wells, smaller but still prevalent. For the stars will still be within the night's call, as they are smaller rips into aetherius. Giving those few mages left some source of power.

All life would definitely not be extinct. The aedra operate independently from Magnus's gate, the sun. Kynareth will still be around, Arkay will still be around, Akatosh will still be around, Dibella will still be around, Mara will still be around, Zenithar will still be around, Stendarr will still be around, Julianos will still be around. They support mundus, as long as they are still around, all will be alright. So the argument of 'no sun, no life' is as void as Sithis.

Thanks for that info. I was just about to ask how the sun on nirn is different from our sun.
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Post » Fri Jun 22, 2012 7:08 pm

At the end of the day, Harkon is doing justice for his people and in turn killing for them. Is this so different from the Stormcloaks or realistically any faction in Elder Scrolls (including yourself). My character has killed 1,500 odd people and as such isn't exactly an arbiter of morality. The Stormcloaks started a war because of one God, a God everyone still worshiped despite the ban, the Dominion kills for racial purity and everyone else has their own reasons, it could be argued that survival of your people is a bit more of a reason for killing than God or purity.

What I mean though is that I hope Harkon presents himself and his faction as moral even if you choose Dawnguard and I hope he isn't the typical sort who would attempt such a thing. I realise what he's doing is hardly right but he does so for the betterment of his people and the protection of them in relation to prophecy. The Dawnguard on the other hand kill his people in cold blood. Surely curing a Vampire is what would be moral? I see to much assumption that Dawnguard are the 'good guys' and find it hilarious that anyone could present themselves as 'good guys' whilst playing a game such as this.

This was more in response to the amount of rhetoric I see about 'Vampires' being posted as though they're inherently evil and the Dawnguard are saviours.

When you choose the easy way out for it's ease and not necessity you are being evil. There are ways for vampires to live without killing innocents. Stormcloaks start a war but only fight soldiers. Thats different, They dont demand the blood of the innocent as the evil vampires do. The vampires who dont kill innocents are not evil.
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Post » Fri Jun 22, 2012 5:23 pm

Since the very definition of a vampire is:
"a preternatural being, commonly believed to be a reanimated corpse, that is said to svck the blood of sleeping persons at night"

it means yes, they are an evil, dead and undead. I'm really hoping the Dawnguard are very moral and noble. There's plenty of ambiguity in Skyrim in the main game. I can do without more of it. Let heroes be heroic for a while. :)

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Post » Fri Jun 22, 2012 6:36 pm

The function of the Sun is still not fully understood. If the sun only serves as a portal to Aetherius and allow magic to enter, then why do farmers only farm outside? Would it not be smarter to keep crops secure? It all comes down to it being a game, while having well established and thoughful lore, alot of it contradicts eachother, which is expected with a series of this size with this much lore.
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Post » Fri Jun 22, 2012 10:46 am

No. In Oblivion one of the ways to become a vampire is to let a vamp feed on you in your sleep.

That's irrelevant! Skyrim vampires follow entirely different rules. Though of course the vampire faction you can join in the DLC could be of the Oblivion kind.
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Post » Fri Jun 22, 2012 4:40 am

That's irrelevant! Skyrim vampires follow entirely different rules. Though of course the vampire faction you can join in the DLC could be of the Oblivion kind.

They are the Volkihar... so no, they aren't the cyrodillic kin.
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Post » Fri Jun 22, 2012 7:03 pm

Since the very definition of a vampire is:
"a preternatural being, commonly believed to be a reanimated corpse, that is said to svck the blood of sleeping persons at night"

it means yes, they are an evil, dead and undead. I'm really hoping the Dawnguard are very moral and noble. There's plenty of ambiguity in Skyrim in the main game. I can do without more of it. Let heroes be heroic for a while. :smile:

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Being undead and svcking blood hardly qualifies you as evil though. If the sleeping person has given his/her consent there should be no issue what so ever. You're just being racist. :cool:

They are the Volkihar... so no, they aren't the cyrodillic kin.

Do we know that for a fact? Only seen the trailer, can't recall it being mentioned there.
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Post » Fri Jun 22, 2012 4:03 pm

That's irrelevant! Skyrim vampires follow entirely different rules. Though of course the vampire faction you can join in the DLC could be of the Oblivion kind.

There may be different types of Vampires in TES. But they all infect the same way.

They are diseased beings who shouldn't be allowed to spread their filth. What if you met someone infected with a life threatening plague? Do you simply let them go about their lives?
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Post » Fri Jun 22, 2012 2:22 pm

That's irrelevant! Skyrim vampires follow entirely different rules. Though of course the vampire faction you can join in the DLC could be of the Oblivion kind.
The vampires in skyrim are presumably the same Cyrodiliic vampires, since they can blend in to society, and Movarth was bitten by a Cyrodilic vampire and is in Skyrim. The new vampires are Volikihar, we aren't exactly sure how they turn others yet.
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Post » Fri Jun 22, 2012 12:31 pm

Being undead and svcking blood hardly qualifies you as evil though. If the sleeping person has given his/her consent there should be no issue what so ever. You're just being racist. :cool:

Truly hilarious that you played the race card to discuss a dead person svcking on a live one. :rofl:

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Post » Fri Jun 22, 2012 3:05 am

Do we know that for a fact? Only seen the trailer, can't recall it being mentioned there.
Yes, it has been said in interviews that the castle is Castle Volkihar.
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Post » Fri Jun 22, 2012 3:41 am

There may be different types of Vampires in TES. But they all infect the same way.

They are diseased beings who shouldn't be allowed to spread their filth. What if you met someone infected with a life threatening plague? Do you simply let them go about their lives?

You can feed on people for eternity without them being turned into a vampire. In Skyrim the only way to get infected is overexposure to the drain spell. And vampirism is rather a blessing than a curse/plague. Eternal life is quite different from a slow torturous death you know ...

As for your question about plague victims: We quaranteen them. Some make it through, others don't.
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Post » Fri Jun 22, 2012 3:46 pm

The function of the Sun is still not fully understood. If the sun only serves as a portal to Aetherius and allow magic to enter, then why do farmers only farm outside? Would it not be smarter to keep crops secure? It all comes down to it being a game, while having well established and thoughful lore, alot of it contradicts eachother, which is expected with a series of this size with this much lore.
Because plants require light, and the "sun" still provides light. Our sun provides the same service, it doesn't have special sun juice that the plants use to grow and survive, it's literally just the light.
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Post » Fri Jun 22, 2012 10:37 am

You can feed on people for eternity without them being turned into a vampire. In Skyrim the only way to get infected is overexposure to the drain spell. And vampirism is rather a blessing than a curse/plague. Eternal life is quite different from a slow torturous death you know ...

As for your question about plague victims: We quaranteen them. Some make it through, others don't.
This isn't a topic of gameplay, it's a topic of lore. You get infected the way you do in Skyrim becasue it is a gameplay mechanic. And if feeding turned people in game it would be wwwwaaaaayyyyy to hard to do as a developer.

And a question to the TES vampire lore buffs: Aren't the Volkihar just a tribe and essintially the same vampires as any other vampire?
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Post » Fri Jun 22, 2012 10:57 am

This isn't a topic of gameplay, it's a topic of lore. You get infected the way you do in Skyrim becasue it is a gameplay mechanic. And if feeding turned people in game it would be wwwwaaaaayyyyy to hard to do as a developer.

Yeah, but its not 100% that you will be inffected. Who knows maybe vampires found workaround to this issue, or not evey spiece of vamps are able to inffect via feeding.
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Post » Fri Jun 22, 2012 2:30 pm

And a question to the TES vampire lore buffs: Aren't the Volkihar just a tribe and essintially the same vampires as any other vampire?

Well, they can get a nice tan at the beach ...
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Post » Fri Jun 22, 2012 4:30 am

Well, these vampires have an alternative to preying on humans; blood potions. Though how they GET the blood is what makes me curious.

I imagine Serana and her mother fit the description of a 'good' vampire, thus I may not kill them. However, if I spot any biting, it's off to Arkay you go!
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Post » Fri Jun 22, 2012 5:46 am

This was more in response to the amount of rhetoric I see about 'Vampires' being posted as though they're inherently evil and the Dawnguard are saviours.

Vampires are evil, there's no twist or anything they are the bad guys.
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Post » Fri Jun 22, 2012 12:11 pm

A question to the TES vampire lore buffs: Aren't the Volkihar just a tribe and essintially the same vampires as any other vampire?
We have little information on the Volkihar. The only "source" was "Immortal Blood". While the Cyrodiilic vampires stayed true to their lore, the Volkihar seem to be getting a makeover. Of course, we do not know if the vampires that serve Harkon are the Volkihar. It is implied since the Castle they live in is called "Castle Volkihar." Only time will tell. But vampires are different when it comes to unique powers and abilities. People believe the current vanilla vampires are NOT the Volkihar because of their unique ability to blend in when well-fed. Something that is given to Cyrodiilic vampires. Not to mention Movarth Piquine's apperance and the implied Vampiric worshipers of Clavicus Vile.
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Post » Fri Jun 22, 2012 11:17 am

We have little information on the Volkihar. The only "source" was "Immortal Blood". While the Cyrodiilic vampires stayed true to their lore, the Volkihar seem to be getting a makeover. Of course, we do not know if the vampires that serve Harkon are the Volkihar. It is implied since the Castle they live in is called "Castle Volkihar." Only time will tell. But vampires are different when it comes to unique powers and abilities. People believe the current vanilla vampires are NOT the Volkihar because of their unique ability to blend in when well-fed. Something that is given to Cyrodiilic vampires. Not to mention Movarth Piquine's apperance and the implied Vampiric worshipers of Clavicus Vile.

It's likely to assume Harkon will comment on your vampirism and offer you the "true" path to immortality.
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Post » Fri Jun 22, 2012 5:46 am

The Stormcloaks started a war because of one God, a God everyone still worshiped despite the ban, the Dominion kills for racial purity and everyone else has their own reasons, it could be argued that survival of your people is a bit more of a reason for killing than God or purity.

If I take away your modern God...let's say pc's and stuff, wouldn't you take up arms?
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Post » Fri Jun 22, 2012 11:52 am

You can feed on people for eternity without them being turned into a vampire. In Skyrim the only way to get infected is overexposure to the drain spell. And vampirism is rather a blessing than a curse/plague. Eternal life is quite different from a slow torturous death you know ...

Thats just a game mechanic.. Last time I checked they didn't have a "Vampire bites PC in combat" animation.

As for your question about plague victims: We quaranteen them. Some make it through, others don't.

Then perhaps we should quarantine Vampires right? And let them die from hunger. They're both afflicted with dangerous diseases correct?

Though its alot faster just to kill them outright.


But you just called Molag Bal evil...it ties in with the subject of his creations and his dominion. But you are right to a point, we shouldn't go there.
No problem :wink:.

I find it amusing how you drop in a thread, write a few words and leave without continuing to discuss, even when proven wrong. Do you enjoy trolling around or is it a hobby for you? :tes: :wallbash:.

Your logic is skewed. Just because something that is neither dead or alive doesn't make it "evil". Why don't you search up the definition of "predator?".Or better yet, a "aspirant troll". Leave the conversation for the grown-ups, :wink:.

What an annoying thing to say. As if your opinion somehow means more than his/hers.
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Post » Fri Jun 22, 2012 3:18 pm

Vampires are evil
Very presumptuous and ignorant of you to state that as though it is fact.
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Post » Fri Jun 22, 2012 12:32 pm

We have little information on the Volkihar. The only "source" was "Immortal Blood". While the Cyrodiilic vampires stayed true to their lore, the Volkihar seem to be getting a makeover. Of course, we do not know if the vampires that serve Harkon are the Volkihar. It is implied since the Castle they live in is called "Castle Volkihar." Only time will tell. But vampires are different when it comes to unique powers and abilities. People believe the current vanilla vampires are NOT the Volkihar because of their unique ability to blend in when well-fed. Something that is given to Cyrodiilic vampires. Not to mention Movarth Piquine's apperance and the implied Vampiric worshipers of Clavicus Vile.
Which raises another question. I went through a dungean once and the boss was aVolkihar Master. While he was a rather tough foe, I don't why he would be there if he had a castle he could go to somewhere in Skyrim. What if Harkon isn't actually a Volkihar but just lives in their old castle because it seems that the Volkihar presense in Skyrim is very low.
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Post » Fri Jun 22, 2012 9:01 am

Very presumptuous and ignorant of you to state that as though it is fact.

Fine. The "majority" of Vampires are evil. That better for you?
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