Hi there Werewolf&Vampire! Hope you're having a good dawn.

I wonder why you seem to think survival is exempt from morality. Morality permeates Life, yet you decree a fundanmental part of it is somehow excluded. This is fallacious. Only if the actors at play were incaple of or denied choice would survival be amoral. Thus, in the case of the lion, his survival game is indeed amoral. Not so with humans, not so with victims of vampirism. Lastly, your estimation that the dawnguard supporters will be trying to "enforce" "concepts" (how one "enforces" a "concept" on a public internet forum is beyond me) is dubious, taking in account the kind of language and tone some vampire apologists use to advocate their cause.

I'm not saing that I'm going to try and enforce my concepts. I'm just saying that Harkon's views are too far. He's planning to subjegate all others just so that his people could survive. It is no different thatn an Argonian drowning the world or a nord covering the land in snow. Cause a vampire will die in the sun just as a nord will drown in water, or any race besides a nord will suffer in the cold.

Though I think a vampire can be morally good or netural, for the most part they are evil. It has been shown that vampires can cure themselves in several different ways as well as the fact if they do remain a vampire they can feed off of people who would be considered bad. A good example is count Hassildor and his wife. His wife wanted to be cured and refused to feed on anyone and Hassildor only feed on criminals from the prision. From what I've seen so far I do not believe the Volihkar are like Hassildor.

I think you will find that in history most of the notable movers and shakers are some kind of son-of-a-b

Justifying the morality of the Dragon Born is like justifying the morality of Tiber Septim
Ends justify the means from the point of view of the people who gain the most, and this also coincidentally coincides with your most selfish desires.

The Stormcloaks are fighting just the Empire. The Vampires are trying to kill every single creature on Nirn. Bit of a difference.

So what you are saying is that vampires are excluded from amorality because they hold intelligence while lions are incapable of true choice and act on instinct? How would that be any different from a vampire who thirsts for blood for the sake to survive? It is axiomatic that they act as creatures with a higher thought capability. Werewolves are more akin to true wolves and not vampires, but they fit the concept of survival.

You mean that crappy drain life spell? Also, as previously stated I find them immoral just as I do the very concept of war and violence however I find Harkon's morals behind their trying to stop the prophecy akin to wiping out the Dragons, taking over Skyrim/Liberating Skyrim or almost anything your partake in. However as for being a Vampire, one can assume not all that many are turned willingly and from fighting them we can also say they most likely don't possess the means to cure themselves and I do find the paranoia of death a reason but arguable for the Dragonborn as he knows there is an afterlife through interactions with Daedra and other ways (spoilers so I wont post here).

We can also assume that feeding is an urge such as hunger for us humans and humans have done horrific things from hunger so factoring in the length it would take to cure yourself feeding would happen eventually and once started it could very well be difficult to stop.

It's actually to stop a prophecy if I remember correctly the 'tyranny of the sun' refers to a prophecy on the vampires being wiped out (E3 interviews are the source of this knowledge, I don't think it's pre-existing lore)

I still wouldn't call it justifiable though as once again who is 'good' and 'bad' is a subjective claim.

Its hard to be viewed as good when you have to drink the blood of your neighbor to live.... and try to block the sun out.

Then again you cant be truly good if you kill anyone. A "good" Dovahkiin would be one that solves the worlds problems with words and the compassion of Mara.

Do not push it. They are not trying to kill every single creature on Nirn. They want to stop an incoming doom to their entire race. Some would argue that is a good thing, as they consider vampires "nasty abominations".

It is but a mere consequence and I find it hard to believe no other race would if they were in the same position.

Bats, mosquitoes and leeches must be evil!

I don't believe all the vampires are inherently evil, that being said my main character is siding with dawnguard because he views all the vampires as inherently evil.

Then by right your character falls under the "traitor" category. What will he do when all vampires are eradicated by unfortunate circumstance? Die alongside them, I guess. Or search for a cure.

We can only hope they'll take Fable from Lionhead Studios :'(

Harkon don't have fangs like typical vampire = He is not feeding on the living in his human form.

It looks like Volkihar has found a way for a vampire to feed without harming.

IF "ending the tyrrany of the sun" only blocks it's negative effects for vampires, but still alows it to work proprly, then Harkon will not be a Villain, but a hero !

Lord Shalidor appoves it.

Huh, my main character is not a vampire...

I think you are over thinking this kind of morality. It is good to have this kind of thinking in real life, because in real life, morality is ambiguous, everyone is trying to do the right thing, although that thing isn't clear.

But this is a video game... not real life. Vamps=evil

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"ending the tyranny of the sun" would kill every creature on Nirn, save those who reside in caves and such.

We did, however, see that a more violent and excessive feeding option was a new feature for vampires in Dawnguard, so I do not think that the Volkihar feed without harming...

Huh? Were the hell did he get that info from?!

You use Skyrim forums, don't you? You discuss video-games, don't you? It does not matter if it is in the video-game. It still stands as a concept that is worth being discussed. if you do not like discussing it, the exit is that way: -------->

I think you missed the second part of that sentence.

No it would not. Do not think the sun in Nirn acts as the sun in real life.

No idea.

No. They lack the ability to choose. Vampires can, and so their choices fall under the realm of morality.