These new vampires can also feed on souls. What happens to the souls when their fed upon? Do they simply not exist anymore, are they stuck inside the vampire to be confined to a fleshy prison until the vampire dies(again).

So not only do they have to take away your life, they have to consume your soul, and condemn you to non-existence/being imprisoned potentially forever.

Wow.. I didn't think it was possible, but I think I dislike Vampires more.

How do you know that? I'm sure plants that reside outside function in the same way as they would in real life. sun-->plants/producers-->first level consumers (rabbits, deer, etc)-->secondary level consumers (humans, wolves, etc) ---> tertiary level consumers (vampires).

I think the only way a vampire could be good, is if they fed only on animals, or chose to cure themselves. Also, vampires are inherently evil, they are a creation of Molag Bal, one of the most evil Daedric Princes, so they do not stay at a neutral morality, they are already a bit down on that scale.

Choosing to starve and go insane is a moral choice compared to sating your natural hunger? I cannot wrap my head around it.

If humans could only eat the flesh from animals, would it be wrong for them to kill them? Humans already kill cattle, deer and all sorts of food from the animals of our world. But what if they could only eat the flesh of animals? Would it be wrong for them to do so? I guess starving themselves to insanity is a much more moral choice.

heres the thing.
being a vampire isnt morally correct neither is being a vampire hunter.
same as chosing the imperials or the stormcloaks. they both eventually want the same goal. one just wants that goal to happen faster.
so this is where your guys' dilemma starts. "opinions" evrybody has their own opinion and the ability to defend it and claim it as moral cleanliness. but when you sit on the fence and look at both sides. you get the bigger picture.
vampires want to be able to walk during the day (more feeding time,not restricted to caves homes and other dwellings)
vampire hunters "dawnguard" want the death of a race which is morally wrong no matter how evil that race is.

Humans cannot cure themselves of humanism.

Haha! No. If a race is a willing threat to everyone, and everything the right course of action is to get rid of them.

Bu they can become vegetarians

The soul goes to Aetherius, a realm of spirits. They are not destroyed.
Quoting a forum user. He understands ES physics more than I.

Oh, I know. But he was talking about humans only being able to eat animal flesh.

Why should a vampire lose their rights to appease the prey?

Look on it from another side: Let's have a "good" vamp who only feeds on humans, but don't kill them. To cure himself from vampirism, he MUST kill someone. Remember that vampires in TES are something more than "thoose filthy creatures" living in caves, not all are evil by all means, hoever if they want a cure, they must do evil thing.

Normally yes. But these new vampires EAT/CONSUME souls. They wouldn't get any benefit if the soul would just pass through them, and go to Aetherius. And as the Azura's star quest has shown souls can be destroyed, and condemn that being to non-existence.

To eat a soul, and get any benefit out of it, it makes sense that the vampire would destroy the soul it consumes.

Eh ... why? And what does caves have to do with anything?

What if they could only eat the flesh of human beings? Most people think murdering people for food is wrong, even when one is dying of starvation, just as murdering them for their organs is. It is a moral decision either way, like everything else we do.

When people allow eating animals it is because they think animal lives don't matter as much as human lives (or even human pleasure, for non-vegetarians). If you could make a case that a vampire life matters more than the lives of all the people they'd kill put together, I might think it reasonable for vampires to kill humans for food when they have no alternative. But I'm not seeing it now.

Being a Vampire isn't morally evil. That's like saying a pack of wolves who kill and eat a human villager with a wife and children are evil. No, they're survivalists. They have to eat that villager because if they don't, they'll die. Same with the Vampires. Vampires aren't evil, they svck the blood out of people because if they don't, they'll suffer severe consequences and even go into a near death coma.

Vampires themselves choose to be evil because they have all this power and yet are cursed to not walk into the sun and live in dark, dank caves. They're just like animals. But many are also very civilized, as seen with the Vampires that live relatively normal lives in cities.

Personally, my Dark Elf assassin is going to side with the Vampires. He lusts for knowledge (Alchemist) and power (assassin) to lead his new family (Dark Brotherhood) and to find his old family. Maybe do a bit of bloody revenge on the Vigilant of Stendarr and crush the Stormcloaks.

a very interesting thought I do like the idea that ending the tyrrany of the sun doesn't literally mean eliminating it but simply making it ok for vampires to go out in the light I like this take on it alot and kind of hope they do portray Harkon in this manner.

They will probably feed from Soul Cairn, only drawback I can see on this, is few beings less to conjure.

Let me put it in laymens terms.

No sun=no plants=no animals=no life.

Assuming Nirns sun works like ours does, which I assume it does. Considering that farmers in game still need to grow their crops.

Which they do. OUTSIDE.


A screenshot showed a Vampire Lord svcking the soul from a mage.. Yeah.. Having less things to conjure is the least of people problems.

Well, then I guess the source of energy in plants is something that cannot be justified, being a game.

Anyway, would it not be better to just take out a big threat to humans, at one time? Less damage would be caused that way in the long run. It's like dragons. Is it better to allow them to continue to kill, or to just take them out for good or come to an agreement, like the following of Paarthurnax's Way of the Voice.

And as I said before, vampires are inherently evil. They were created by Molag Bal for the soul purpose of being a blight on humanity.

I've briefly skimmed through all this. And so I'm seeing some people think Vampires are completely evil?
No.

Here's the REAL deal with Vampires.

Vampires were once people. And like most people, there are good and there are bad.
So not every Vampire is a villain.
There are people who seek to become a Vampire, and there are those who unwillingly become a Vampire.
To want to eradicate an entire race is simply evil itself!

Think of it this way.

You're in a cave, looking to find some gold ore to mine. Bring home some gold for the family.
But oh no, a Vampire. You now have the disease. You rush home, but home is far away. 3 days pass. You're a vampire. Too late. You didn't WANT to be one, but you are.
Family either shuns you or accepts you for what you are.

But eventually everyone else finds out.
Your once friended neighbors and friends now all hate you.
And why? Because you're sick and need help. But there's no cure. So they want you dead.

So where do you go now? What do you do? No one loves you, and all because something out of your own control happened. So of course you're not going to give a damn for them anymore.
So find some people who are like you, so you can not be alone for the rest of your immortal life.
They've all been through it as well. Some may be evil, yeah, sure. But they don't want to kill you! Like your supposed 'friends'.
So yeah, I'd be a little pissed off too and want to take out the sun after realising just how MESSED up everyone else can be.
I drink blood, sure, I get it, it's weird. But I gotta do it.
You want to kill me for it! Do you have to? To stay a live? No? Well then you're the messed up one.

1. Nirn sun doesn't work that same as RL one.
2. Oh yes, It is Necromancer/Another Vamp. Soultrapping them is OK, but feeding Not ? Hypocrisy !

Well, feeding on them may potentially turn them into a vampire. Which could eventually lead to that vampire killing people. He's better of killing a bandit and curing himself.

You already kill hundreds upon hundreds of bandits as Dragonborn, so why not use those to cure vampires?

It might not work exactly the same way, but it may work similarly. Why? In TES the sun still warms things up, farmers still have to grow their crops outside to get.. Hmm.. Whats the word I'm looking for?

Sunlight.


Do you know what "Hypocrisy" means? I don't think you're using the word right. The difference is that over time a soul thats traqed will end up leaving the stone if not in use, and when you enchant an item the soul is released.

This isn't comparable in anyway.

Hypocrisy in your statement astounds me, so your saying it's okay for vampire to kill bandits, but your saying they cant feed on them?

So??? This is a remarkably silly notion. First of all they can simply start growing plants that does not need the sun ... no lives lost ...

I thought you were referring to an ice age, or something like that, which obviously wouldn't spear people living in caves. Well, I guess they could shelter themselves from the cold, but then everyone could just move to Blackreach. Furthermore we have no idea what will happen to the sun. Maybe all it's useful effects will still work. If all life died they would starve, I doubt they are suicidal.