It's smaller then a real slum yea, and much nicer but it's a video games equivilent of a slum.

Yes.
Humans and Chimps are descended from a common ancestor too, but that doesn't mean humans are chimps.



To be honest, the netch farms in Morrowind were more like slums... not that the people living there were poor, ironically enough.

Point is, I don't think the Dunmer in the Grey Quarter are doing too badly for living arrangement. The only problem is the local attitude in Windhelm. Heck, it isn't even a Stormcloak thing... just a few problem idiots.

Did the chimps also start an empire that the Humas are now part of?

And besides, the point is that the Empire isn't invading. Skyrim has been part of the Empire from the start, and they were the ones who started it. This is not like Morrowind's situation, or any other province for that matter.

They threaten the Dunmer for not helping in the war, and they MIGHT carry ot those threats. Also the farms didn't look like slums to me just...alien

Ignore.

Context. Get with it.

Skyrim is essentially the country of the nords. That is the way Tamriel is laid out. Each race has its own province... its own little country or whatever where it is dominant. A place they can call home. And through it all we have the Empire of Cyrodill going and treating these provinces like their personal property. Irrespective of how long they may or may not have been doing this, the locals in these provinces don't like it. They have no reason to like it. And now given the Empire is just playing second-tier to the tyrannical Aldmeri Dominion... well, enough is enough.
So... are you going to continue arguing against this point?

Someone doesn't like the true sons and daughters of Tamriel...

The same someone who has been a bit cranky since the Nerevarine went hammertime on the heart of Lorkhan.
Nobody messed with the Dunmer while they had three living gods on their side.
Things have just gone all sorts of crappy since then. Even corprus is starting to look like a pleasant alternative.

I support the Stormcloaks but I don't support Ulfric, so I'll go with the Empire and fight for unity.

his point was that the Nord asked to join the Empire, in fact the first Emperor, Tiber Septim was a Nord, so the Empire have ruled the Nords all the way back to the begining.

But now the Empire is weakening, and the Nords dont respect an Empire that is weakening so they have decided to revolt, not the worst idea actually.

But i personnaly hate the Nord attitude, and there racist ways so i'd rather have them ruled by the Empire instead of rulling themselves.

What about Tiber Septim and the Reman Empire? But yeah, I guess I understand where your coming from. I like all the races for the most part.

The Nords are just as racist as the Argonians, Altmer, Bosmer, Bretons, Dunmer, Imperials, Khajiit, Nords, Orsimer and Redguards.

Let's just ignore the whole 'Stormcloak=racist' issue entirely.

I don't even remember what we were talking about

I've said this many times and I doubt this will be the last:
National pride isn't racism.
Isolationism isn't racism either.
The desire to be left alone to flourish on one's own terms is so drastically different from believing other races are inferior as to boggle the mind.
And yes, most of the races of Tamriel pretty much just want to be left to their lives without constant war. invasion and cultural dilution screwing things up for them. They get angry because an awful lot of folk can't just leave well enough alone.

I'm pretty confident that Ulfric doesn't have a racist bone in his body although there are many amongst his supporters who are. But it's obvious that addressing injustices caused by the racial prejudices of Nords is low down on Ulfric's list of priorities, if it's even on the list. Can you criticise him for that? Absolutely. But you have to realise that he has a lot of business to settle with Imperial sympathisers, the Empire, and ultimately the Thalmor. Once the throne is secured, and peace brokered, then thoughts can turn to justice. I believe that's how he sees it. Some of my characters see it the same, some don't, for some it's not important.

Many people base their choice on one of three things:
1. The way they generalize the empire. "The empire tried killing me at the beginning, so I'm with the Stormcloaks."
2. The way they generalize the Stormcloaks. "The Stormcloaks are racist, so I'm with the Empire."
3. An outcome-oriented ethics philosophy. "The empire's just doing what it has to to survive, and that includes protecting the future of Skyrim, even from within. I'm with the Empire."

I reject all of these reasons. The first and second are examples of emotional reactionism, and the third subscribes to end-justifying-means ethics. They are all based on false (or at most uncertain) assumptions. The "means" of the empire is acting like an obsequious dog at the table of the Aldmeri Dominion. If faith means anything at all, it means not forsaking faith in the face of possible destruction. The empire shows only that faith means nothing to them; this is proven by the fact that the Thalmor are free to roam Skyrim, murdering those who place their faith above tyrannical politics.

Now, maybe you agree with the empire, that faith is worthless and misplaced in Talos; then you will also likely agree that might makes right and that the empire needs to do whatever it can to stay strong. I, however, disagree, and oppose the empire, because if faith has any meaning, if it is ever a virtue, it becomes so precisely then, when politics and tyrants and the world demand faithlessness.

Nord "Why arn't you in the war Dunmer!"

Dunmer "because my country just got destroyed i have to live in an alley and..."

Nord "If you dont join the war we'll come to your house and do unspeakable things to you!"

Maybe thats not racism but it's certanly not good.

Archmage12, I don't think anyone ever said that every single Stormcloak was a paragon of virtue and tolerance. But Ulfric did not make such things a qualification for those who fight for him.

How moronic can you get? I now I'm new but honestly the Nord WANT the Dunmer to join THEIR war.

If they truly feel they should be left alone ( which they actually don't care about they are just highly ignorant and arrogant like the Thalmor) they wouldn't force OTHER races into a war since they would know how they feel like.

If this isn't true then the Nord are extremely stupid and are hypocrites.

But he did seem to make it a qualification for all his soilder to be Nords.

He didn't turn my character down, and I'm Imperial. I'm not aware of any other characters that he has turned down on account of race either, however if you desired to insert that into the story nothing stopping you altering your view of canon for your own roleplay choice.

The dunmer refugees are getting free housing and tax-free living courtesy of the nords in windhelm though. I guess it's strange of them to want anything in return.


Also Tiber isn't necessarily a nord. He might've been a Breton if Heresy is to be believed. Nor were the nords with the empire at its founding. Tiber started out in Colovia helping out Cuhlecain. His group was a mixture of Colovians and Nord mercenaries.

Nord =/= Stormcloak. Why does everyone forget that it's not just the Empire opposing Ulfric? It's a civil war; there are just as many Nords who vehemently disagree with Ulfric as there are those who agree with him.

Of course when you offer something out of gratitude you want something back that actually ISN'T in the best interest of the land.

Am I right?

Other then that they can work, they can cook. Hell they CAN do everything

They CAN help Windhelm prosper.

Also doesn't mean the Nords can treat them like trash because they refuse to take up violence in a war that isn't for them.


I think Australia should send their Asylum seekers to Afghanistan is basically what your saying.