Of course when you offer something out of gratitude you want something back that actually ISN'T in the best interest of the land.

Am I right?

Other then that they can work, they can cook. Hell they CAN do everything

They CAN help Windhelm prosper.

Also doesn't mean the Nords can treat them like trash because they refuse to take up violence in a war that isn't for them.


I think Australia should send their Asylum seekers to Afghanistan is basically what your saying.

How moronic can you get?

I now I'm new but honestly the Nord WANT the Dunmer to join THEIR war.

If they truly feel they should be left alone ( which they actually don't care about they are just highly ignorant and arrogant like the Thalmor) they wouldn't force OTHER races into a war since they would know how they feel like.

If this isn't true then the Nord are extremely stupid and are hypocrites.

Nord =/= Stormcloak. Why does everyone forget that it's not just the Empire opposing Ulfric? It's a civil war; there are just as many Nords who vehemently disagree with Ulfric as there are those who agree with him.

I'll leave that up to you to demonstrate. I'm sure you're more than qualified.



And like Archmage, you're assuming that the actions of two extreme cases (http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Rolff_Stone-Fist and http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Angrenor_Once-Honored) are representative of an entire faction. A faction that neither one is actually a member of.
That... amusingly enough, is racism.

Many people base their choice on one of three things:
1. The way they generalize the empire. "The empire tried killing me at the beginning, so I'm with the Stormcloaks."
2. The way they generalize the Stormcloaks. "The Stormcloaks are racist, so I'm with the Empire."
3. An outcome-oriented ethics philosophy. "The empire's just doing what it has to to survive, and that includes protecting the future of Skyrim, even from within. I'm with the Empire."

I reject all of these reasons. The first and second are examples of emotional reactionism, and the third subscribes to end-justifying-means ethics. They are all based on false (or at most uncertain) assumptions. The "means" of the empire is acting like an obsequious dog at the table of the Aldmeri Dominion. If faith means anything at all, it means not forsaking faith in the face of possible destruction. The empire shows only that faith means nothing to them; this is proven by the fact that the Thalmor are free to roam Skyrim, murdering those who place their faith above tyrannical politics.

Now, maybe you agree with the empire, that faith is worthless and misplaced in Talos; then you will also likely agree that might makes right and that the empire needs to do whatever it can to stay strong. I, however, disagree, and oppose the empire, because if faith has any meaning, if it is ever a virtue, it becomes so precisely then, when politics and tyrants and the world demand faithlessness.

When Ulfric used the power of the thu'um, a gift of from the chief deity of the divines (Akatosh), to off the high king (a political rival), the notion that the Stormcloaks held a moral high ground in terms of faith fell apart.

To me, there are only two reasons he used the shout in high combat, neither of them desirable:
1.) He used it as a means to intimidate anyone who would challenge his rule.
2.) He used it out of desperation to defeat the king.

Don't get me wrong, however. What the Empire did to Talos was outright disgraceful. But it still leaves me in a state of disdain for both sides.

Also Galmor insults you if your not a Nord. Also Ulfric dosn't care that much about his people. I arrested his court wizard, the one who kills women, well guess what i came back a DAY later and he was out of jail and in the throne room.

When Ulfric used the power of the thu'um, a gift of from the chief deity of the divines (Akatosh), to off the high king (a political rival), the notion that the Stormcloaks held a moral high ground in terms of faith fell apart.

To me, there are only two reasons he used the shout in high combat, neither of them desirable:
1.) He used it as a means to intimidate anyone who would challenge his rule.
2.) He used it out of desperation to defeat the king.

Don't get me wrong, however. What the Empire did to Talos was outright disgraceful. But it still leaves me in a state of disdain for both sides.

Nations rise and fall, but evil is eternal. No side is better than the other. So take your pick and declare it, but this debating between red and blue is pointless: Make no mistake, we WILL fight the Thalmor very soon. I for one won't let petty mortal squabbles deter me from my path.

As for my allegiance, I'm decidely neutral on the Civil War. I am sworn to the Eight and Talos, God of War and patron of heroes. It will be their blessings that I carry through the flames of the next war.

Also Galmor insults you if your not a Nord. Also Ulfric dosn't care that much about his people. I arrested his court wizard, the one who kills women, well guess what i came back a DAY later and he was out of jail and in the throne room.

his point was that the Nord asked to join the Empire, in fact the first Emperor, Tiber Septim was a Nord, so the Empire have ruled the Nords all the way back to the begining.

But now the Empire is weakening, and the Nords dont respect an Empire that is weakening so they have decided to revolt, not the worst idea actually.

But i personnaly hate the Nord attitude, and there racist ways so i'd rather have them ruled by the Empire instead of rulling themselves.

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I wonder, Legion hater turned Legion fan?
Or
Legion hater turn Skyrim's Legion-equivalent fan ?

Ah, I was wondering when a new one would pop up.

I support the Empire of a few reasons, but I have explained why in so many threads I will not include any major details here.

• The Thalmor do not want Imperial victory. Sure they don't want Stormcloak victory either, but still.
  
• The Thalmors position will be hurt if they do.
  
• The Empire knows the peace will not last and are likely preparing for it.
  
• The Empire have a professional, organized and resourceful army.
  
• Ulfric may be a good leader, but if he wins Skyrim will not have any allies. He may ally himself with Hammerfell and/or High Rock it is a wildcard I prefer not to play. Why gamble for a King when you can guarantie a Queen?

Empire's still a gamble in my eyes. The legion wants to go to war again, but they're not the ones making decisions. The longer it takes the more likely it is for the thalmor to grease the palms of the ruling council.

At the end of the day I am not worried about the chances of a Thalmor defeat.

I'm under the impression it is the Thalmor who gamble the most, considering how weak they must be. If they were strong they would help the Stormcloak enough to win so they could divide and conquer instead of trying to keep the war rolling from the shadows. I think the Thalmor know they will lose, no matter who wins the civil war.
At the end of the day I am not worried about the chances of a Thalmor defeat.

Careful, the Blades thought the same thing. I'm convinced that the Thalmor have some sort of hidden advantage, perhaps a powerful magical artifact. They are weakened now, but let's approach the next fight with caution