Which side are you on? The Legion or Stormcloaks?

whatever side enforces the use of the search function....





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Stormcloaks for me. To hell with the legion.

It would be a good idea to make this topic a poll. But it seems you are new to the forums, so I'll cut some major slack.

The Empire.

The way Skyrim's government is set up puts the Jarls in a very important position. They govern their own people much more than the High King, so Skyrim is very dependent on good Jarls.

Maven Black-Briar> Laila Law Giver. I'm not crazy about either of them, but at least Maven is standalone. Laila is corrupted and manipulated by her steward.
Balgruuf>Vignar. I highly respect them both, but I think Balgruuf belongs on the throne. It is actually revealed that Balgruuf hates the Thalmor just as much as the Stormcloaks and still worships Talos. I have a lot of respect for him.
Brina Merilis>Skald. I find Brina to be a more honorable figure than Skald, especially because Skald almost refuses to let Brina in the city because she used to be with the Legion.
Brunwulf>Ulfric. He is trying his best to end the racism in Windhelm.
Igmund> Silver-Blood. I just like Igmund's calm personality. He often reminds me of Colonel Hsu from Fallout New Vegas. The Silver Bloods are only in their position because of their wealth.
Dengeir>Siddgeir. I don't like either of them but I think Dengeir actually cares about his position and Siddgeir does not.
Kraldar>Korir. I think they're both alright, but Korir despises the college and blames them for Winterhold's troubles. Kraldar respects the college and only seeks to rebuild the city without pointing fingers.

I think Ulfric would make a more powerful High King than Elisif would as High Queen, but through and through I think the Empire is the best choice. The only Stormcloak Jarl that I believe is a better alternative is Dengeir, but I don't care much for Falkreath to be honest.

On a large scale, both of them are going to have immense troubles fighting the Thalmor. While the Stormcloaks will not hesitate to fight them, they don't have near enough numbers to defeat them. The Empire, however, do have a strong enough Military to do it. However, the Thalmor have dug their claws deep in the Empire, and if they decide to fight the Thalmor, it will leave a lot of holes for sabotage and in the long run not making them much better than the Stormcloaks.

Laila is better than Maven. What is wrong with you? Maven controls Riften already without being Jarl and she can get anybody she wants kill because she has good connections with the DBH, Thieves Guild, and High Ranking People in the Empire. Heck, if you aren't in the DBH, she is the person who puts up a contract on YOU. And go to the Brewery.. Say one thing bad about her and you are in a lake.... Dead... And don't forget about how she makes a lot more money via the Thieves Guild while also harming everybody else... I can't stand her and one of the first mods I am making for Skyrim will be a questline to take her down, and I swear it!

She is by far the most corrupted and evil Jarl there is! Most of the Empire's Jarls are like that!

Stormcloaks thru-and-thru! Down with the corruption in the Empire! Down with it, I say!

Careful now, lot's of spoilers in here......

Stormcloaks are facist pigs though.

Stormcloaks... no doubt about it.
But then I've been Anti-Empire ever since Morrowind.



What the heck gave you that idea?

Same.

It's in their blood. Nordic people in real life are like that too. Also, they do eventually like someone unless they are too stubborn. That one Altmer in Windhelm is a good example. She wasn't highly liked at first but she made friends with the Nords and now she is doing good in Windhelm.

I see your point about Maven, but I don't like either of them at all.

The main reason I would prefer Maven is because it highly benefits the Thieves Guild for the time being. When they become powerful enough, screw Maven. They don't need a Jarl's support. (If they do want it, they can find it somewhere else.)

I just can't [censored] stand Anuriel. And she even says that she can easily manipulate Laila. I wish there was an option to actually make the letter go public so Laila can avoid further manipulation from Anuriel.

Not too much. Some were but not a lot. Most of it were from topics that you can talk to NPCs about at any time in the game.

They make Dark elves live in a Slum and barley tolerate there existence, you said you did an Empire playthrough, so maybe you caught the part about the Imperial Yarl of Windhelm saying he was going to make sure Dunmer get treated better?

I can't stand Maven and the Thieves Guild. I miss the Gray Fox's Thieves Guild.

They have the military power, yet they've been forced to recruit locally? And several Legates claim that the leigons are 'stretched thin' right now.

And the Empire are imperialist scum.

Just about every Elf in Windhelm is successful except for the two that spend their days skulking around the New Gnisis Cornerclub complaining.

Its true there military is a shadow of its former self....its gotten so bad that the local citizens can take up arms and have a strong chance of winning.

I honestley expect the Empire to be destroyed by next game.

They're both light weights anyway because Bethesda put zero effort into their quests.

Holy hypocrisy, Batman! o_o;

Anyhow... the Stormcloaks aren't fascist, racist, nor anything like that. They've got national pride, and they don't take kindly to foreign invaders... but they don't give a toss what race you are as a person.

I expect the Empire to be destroyed by the end of this game (DLC). A new one will be established by the next game. Maybe the Dragonborn will pass on his legacy and start a Septim-like Empire again, but I don't think that's likely.

Who's invading? The Empire has been in Skyrim since it started.

Just gotta check here... but have you ever seen a real slum?

The "Gray Quarter" in Windhelm isn't all that bad. Logistically, it is awkwardly placed, but the buildings are spacious and in good condition... so it isn't so bad. In fact the worst that goes on there is a few of the absurdly racist locals picking fights due to their own overzealotry. A factor which one would expect to clear up quite nicely after the civil war situation is resolved.
If anything, the Argonians in Windhelm have it worse.... but then they're fine if you throw them in the water, so who cares?


Same way they were in Morrowind? Unwelcome, domineering foreigners... And now they're just lap-dogs to another power. They might have had their claws in Skyrim a long time, but they never stopped being the foreign invaders.

Really? I would hardly consider the Gray Quarter a 'slum.' Nords used to live there before the Red Year, it's the 'poor' district of the city. They get free housing and don't have to pay taxes, most of them are doing well. And this act of generosity was by the hands of the Nords, who have not had the nicest history with the Dunmer. Brunwulf Free-Winter isn't caught in the midst of a civil war, so of course he can focus on reform.

Did you know that the Imperials are descended from the Nords? Or that Tiber Spetim, a Nord, started the Empire?