One persons opinion does not make it fact.

Glad you enjoyed the guild OP . Playing as a thief, its the only guild i have joined so far and i am at level 32. The armour you get near the end of the questline makes it worth while IMO just for that.

I think the stats on the DB armor are far superior to the armor from the thievesguild, but I must admit that the thieves guild armors in general, by far are the coolest looking light armor in the game, where as the dark brother hood armors just look terrible.

Agree ,I could not stand the look of the DB armour, its one of the first things i modded out.

Yea after I started modding my game, I replaced it with something decent-looking too. ^^

Really? An opinion isn't fact? Isn't this a thread about our opinions about the Thieves' Guild?

You stated the only reason he enjoyed the thieves guild is because its his first RPG. You then gave a link to someones opinion saying this shows why the theives guild is terrible.

All that link shows is ones persons opinion on the guild, it in no way justifies your comment to the Op that he only enjoyed the thieves guild because its their 1st RPG

Doh, I never praised the writing of the questlines of Morrowind compared to Oblivion (I can't fathom how anyone could), I just praised Morrowind for more guilds, longer questlines, interacting guilds in a way and skill/attribute requirements to advance in rank. All things, which would make guilds in the following games more awesome.


I never thought about it before, but the guy in the link couldn't be more right! There are pretty big plotholes and I never liked Karliah paralyzing the player.

He asked "or is it because it is my first RPG?" Or rather said "maybe because it's my first RPG I feel this way."

So, my opinion (do I have to tag everything with "my opinion?") is that yes, it is because it is his first RPG and that is perhaps why he likes the Thieves' Guild so much, and I provided a link to break down why the Thieves' Guild story is less than good because said link supported my less than favorable reaction to it.

So thus it went like this:

"Is it because it is my first RPG?"

"Yes, here's support as to why you would probably look at it differently if it wasn't your first RPG."

Gotta agree with this. People (including myself) were terribly disapointed with oblivion in many aspects, the length and amount of guilds being one. That said, the dark brotherhood line was certainly quite awesome for what it was, and the others ranged from allright to good. (excluding the arena one of course). In skyrim however we seem to have about as many guilds as in oblivion, but they are all even shorter than they were in oblivion, and they all launch into some ultra personal story before you even get to feel at home in the guild. In Morrowind you did grunt tasks for ages before you did anything important, and I loved that. In oblivion you were also forced to do quite a bit of actual day-to-day guild business before the personal plot took off. In skyrim you are initiated, you do 1 mission and bam you're started on some awfully convinient quest that just happens to leave you in charge of the guild you've barely interacted with.

This is hilarious. Im only up to part 4, but i keep spitting out my coffee im laughing so hard. And thats despite actually enjoying the TG questline. Thanks for the link!!

Yes an opinion ISINT fact, Its the mass population's opinion that truly matters, the mass majority of the population LIKES the thieves guild!

Lol totally different to how you stated it , and yes it does help to state IMO as guess what.......... when people are posts, they can't know all the missing subtext behind your comment.

Anyway on the article itself while i agree with a couple of points the guy makes it in no way IMO makes the guild terrible.

Mass population opinion truly matters?

Well damn man, Call of Duty must be the best game ever then.

I'm sorry you couldn't read the subtext, despite how plain it was. Skyrim TG is not anywhere near as good as OB's, thus it ranks as terrible.

In my opinion.

Better?

lol.

imo.

WHAT!? Are you kidding? Almost everywhere people constantly bash COD for being stupid!!!!!

And yet it's one of the best selling games in history.

Or are you going to present a double standard into this conversation?

"Majority population is what matters! But... but not in regards to things I don't like..."

The story behind the guild is fantastic, but I would have liked more activity by the other guild members. It seems like you singlehandedly restore the guild to it's "former glory". All those guys in the cistern should have had more activity.

Otherwise, the guild is great.

Unfortunately Call of Duty could be packed with one multiplayer map and one multiplayer weapon and all those mindless sheep (including the ones that profoundly complain) would still buy it. Alternatively, Call of Duty could be a vast compilation of creative (as if) ideas, perks, weapons, maps, etc, that wouldn't work at all to the point where the game is utterly broken (hey, that sounds like MW3!).

They do? Have you personally asked all 9 million or so players? I don't like it much, myself. Shallow, generic, cheesily written, too reliant on boring radiant quest [censored]. Um, now that I think about it, that pretty much describes all of the guilds in Skyrim...

I love the Thieves Guild quests - betrayal, secrecy, and some good ol' fashioned thievery.
But of course, The Dark Brotherhood questline is without a doubt the best - I loved it even more than the Oblivion Brotherhood.

Poorly written, full of plot holes, lots of continuity errors...

Thanks for the link, fun read haha. He's right

The best thing about the thieves guild was that there was a bit of a build up during the initial stages. Each character you meet had a different voice, and a different intro story. It was a shame you didn't adventure with them more directly, but you could roleplay enough to connect well, and of course some were trainers. I thought this questline closest to the quality of Oblivions, as far as the writing went. (SkyRim Main Quest was decent also...)

What really dragged it down , as other's noted, was the random generated stuff being total dreck, same items, same challenge, or lack thereof. And turning down work just to get the right job in another city was a poor choice, and pretty immersion breaking. A bettter approach would have been the bulletin board ala FF XII. Mixed feelings about the rewards at the end. More light in the cistern, new merchants (same stuff mostly, the alchemist was a poison specialist) , new members, but no sense of accomplishment despite it. You'd really done nothing special. I liked the black armour, though it looked more like bike leathers to me, but at least it wasn't a kilted kit.

In short it started out great for me, then petered out despite the whole "Nightingale" tack on. It's pretty obivious these juxtapositions were done on the fly, there wasn't time to write seperate in depth plotlines for each Daedric prince. And I'm sorry, but if I wanted "Black Night " armour, I'd be playing a different game.

Really?

I thought it was a little bit better. Meeting

my impression is they dont give you the option to simply tell brynjolf to leave you alone. but other then that on the character i did join them on i agree they are one of the best written guild stories in the game