Damn the followers thing... how did I never think of that? That has to be the dumbest thing for them to leave them out. Actually, it should be the perk of becoming master of the guild. great idea IMO

12 things that could have made the Thieves' Guild 100x better.

1 - 6: Better story
7: Ability to set up an income via thefts that NPCs commit
8: Ability to put pressure on other shops to extort income
9: Ability to expand out into other holds
10: Better story
11: Ability to hire new thieves
12: Better story.
(13.) Pretend the ~ish with Nocturnal never effing happened.
(14.) Pretend you got something actually really useful for the ~ish that happened with Nocturnal

I wouldn't call it poorly written - I'd call it well written, in fact. Care to elaborate?
Examples of plot holes? The thing flows quite well in my view.
Same with continuity errors. Someone's causing Maven some strife, which means someone's causing the guild some strife. It's an awesome storyline, in my eyes, and I thoroughly enjoy writing fiction.

Mate. read the article on the link eric posted.

I lol'd. Good ideas, but come on man.

Things that would make the thieves guild better 100X:

1-100000000: godmode

I mean really just play the game. Every time I pick this game up, something new hits me

EDIT: I'm drunk and bored... I should just delete that. But really, I hate the hate for this game.

Biggest plot hole?


Read: http://www.shamusyoung.com/twentysidedtale/?p=14422

Full of plot holes and continuity errors.


Every time I picked up the game something new hit me too.

Game crashes in character creation.
Game crashes in combat.
Game crashed in loading screen.
Game crashed while waiting during sleep.
Game crashed while Enchanting.

the guild is okay in skyrim, i like most of it more than i liked oblivions robin hood guild but

after 200-some hours, the game has yet to crash on me *knocks on wood*. if that's your biggest problems, I'm truly sorry you can't experience the game as I do

I'll agree with this whole-heartedly. It reminds me of the Jagged Crown

I'm tired of giving up awesome gear.

Nightingales could have been incorporated beter as well IMO

No no, there were other problems (*ahem* Thieves' Guild), all the crashing was the straw upon the camel's back.

This pretty much sums up the guild quest in skyrim. I remember when I did the first mission when you had to get the Wuuthrad fragments and . I thought that was awesome, then we got back to the Companion headquarters and . I didn't like this at all, things just moved to fast. In oblivion, because it was my first TES game, you worked through the ranks and did many more quest. You felt like you were apart of the guild because you put some time in. In skyrim you do five missions then you're done.

Yeah, the Thieves are a good guild, but the Dark Brotherhood was my favorite, mainly because of the characters and the plot.

Don't bother with it. It's just a hater hating. Haters gonna hate. Here's an article on Internet negativity, some people seriously cannot help it.

http://lenonhonor.com/dealing-with-negative-people-on-the-internet/

There are so many things wrong with the thieves' guild that it is actually funny to see people praise it.

My number one problem:
1: The radiant quests are tacked on, and only (apparently, at least in the begining) serve to make you small-ish amounts of money.
2: If I do try the main story for the guild, I don't steal a SINGLE thing, besides one proof of purchase in a safe in the first "real" mission.
3: Too much combat for the thieves' guild. My current character is a thief - he has two iron daggers, just in case he runs into a skeever or something, but he doesn't use armour, weapons beyond the two daggers and poisons planted on the enemy. He doesn't fight huminoids or any enemy that could be considered hard, except for occasionly a paralysis potion planted on them, then run off. In the guild that I'm DESIGNED for -keep in mind that the whole point of the guild is that I DON'T kill people - it's not the DB- and all I do is have to kill people. LIke in the last mission:
If I'm playing as a thief, I don't want to have to kill everything.

What else would they be? They are the day-to-day tasks a person in a criminal organization should expect to receive. I like them. Those quests are the only real improvement in guilds since Morrowind.

Sorry but guild questlines in Skyrim are weak. Very very weak. Over in half an hour and you come out as the leader yet nobody gives a damn.

I don't really know how people can say Thieve's Guild questline tops Oblivion's.

The linked article got better as it went on. At the start, it sounded a little overly-critical, but what he suggests as alternative dialogue etc. does make sense.

This said, i enjoyed the TG quest line, probably more than OBs. I can see what people are saying about the radiant quests being repetitive - but that's kind of what radiant quests are going to be, right? I would like to have a few more ways of completeing them, though - getting in through windows, basemants, etc., having to strategise a break-in.

Lol it seems to me Darkside Eric should just quit the game.

The issue with the guilds in general is that the day to day guild business are usually optional quests, so that the actual questline ends up being purely some epic adventure (or attempts to be). In my opinion a guild quest like should be your natural progression through the guild, including somewhat mundane tasks as filler, then you can add additional tasks as optional, but having the questline itself ONLY consist of quests that directly tie into whatever current of unlikely events that somehow propel you to the rank of guildmaster just feels to empty and ultimately makes your rank as guildmaster hallow

I wish they had a 'destroy the thieves guild' quest line like the dark brotherhood, I never join the thieves guild for my lawful characters.

The original questline is good IMHO, but after that it is a real PITA. Runing around doing the same old steal or alter the books bit, it just gets tiring. And after all you did, you're still treated like crap - what's up with that??? I'd like to put a dagger right through Vex's jaw she I here her snotty retorts!

Anywho... Main TG quests get a thumbs up, but after a thumbs down. I don't know if I'll ever get to the point of completing it.

Cue a post about "why can't we raise issues/we can't all be [censored]/we're trying to rescue the Elder Scrolls series/etc. etc."

I don't mind it when people comment on problems, or raise issues with the game. And sometimes there is sense to what Eric has to say.

But continuously pissing on everyone else's chips just gets really tedious after a bit.

I've done over 100 jobs for the guild, trying to get that trophy shelf complete... and there's a bug that prevents the second to last reward (at job 75) from showing up. I'm on the PS3 so I can't console it in, and I just have to stare at that stupid empty shelf. Very annoying.

But at this point, I'm too close to not finish the jobs and get that last piece of set dressing.

I do really like the guild overall though. Some of the best characters in the game are in it.

But as someone else said, that's the point of radiant quests. They are bound to get repetitive after a while. If they were majorly distinctive, they would be proper quests, and limited in number.

I agree about the dialogue. Reputation is one of the things that I wish they had kept in.