Because anything you reveal about what they are doing and why they are doing it is a spoiler. If that information cannot be gained except through playing the game then its spoiler.

I suppose it comes down to the good of skyrim vs the good of the whole land. Liberating skyrim through the stormcloaks is probably better in the short term, but in the long term big picture against the might of the thalmor it may be better for skyrim to be in the hands of the empire.

Although as the above quoted post wrote, skyrim lead by the stormcloaks could have the strength to protect it's people.

So my next character will be an orc, light armor, quick on his feet, agile but battle-hardened. A good character that will fight if attacked and for the oppression of others. So as the dragonborn he isn't going to be treated normally by anyway, nor is he going to experience much prejudice himself.. Waiting for patch 1.4 to start him, and I want him to be stormcloak.

The storm cloak idealism is 'skyrim for the nords', with quite a few stormcloak members being opening racist against certain groups of mer, due to the past conflicts with the thalmor.

The empire is pretty much a toy at the thalmors disposal, the thalmor show strong religious discrimination to the extent of genocide against any talos worshippers.

I don't have that much against the empire (apart from trying to kill me), but I dispise the thalmor. So it seems the decision is down to racial vs religious discrimination, which isn't a choice I would make as my character, who like me, is highly against both.

But the extent that the empire (thalmor) go to, hunting down and killing a certain religion for me is far worse than what I have experienced from stormcloak prejudice. I understand many members of the empire are against killing talks worshippers, yet they do nothing but stay a weak puppet of the thalmor.

So it seems the stormcloak is the lesser of two evils, plus it would mean removing the thalmor from skyrim. I also like to think that my orc (of mer decent) would act as a figurehead for the stormcloaks, possibly easing the racial hatred that some of them have.

What are people's thoughts, anything to say for/against what I have said?

Because anything you reveal about what they are doing and why they are doing it is a spoiler. If that information cannot be gained except through playing the game then its spoiler.

The storm cloak idealism is 'skyrim for the nords'

The empire is pretty much a toy at the thalmors disposal, the thalmor show strong religious discrimination to the extent of genocide against any talos worshippers.

But the extent that the empire (thalmor) go to

Spoiler..... the thalmor are in support of the stormcloaks.

Spoiler..... the thalmor are in support of the stormcloaks.

Well.. I just cant learn to except racism, so I went Empire.

I hate both sides. Stormcloaks are racist brutes and the imperials are, well, imperials. Not to mention that if you side with them, you side with the Thalmor.

I want a DLC with a third option: for the dragonborn to choose neither side and take over Skyrim himself. It would be cool you could learn of either side's plans and use that to your advantage. Meet at the place the Stormcloaks are trying to siege and just kill everyone and take the fort yourself. Or you could spare people to join your cause when they see how well you clean up.

I am the true high king of Skyrim!

Ulfric didn't slay Alduin.... I DID

It's quite hard to discuss how power works in this game when you as dragon born can slaughter entire armies ha. I'd like the option to destroy the thalmor influence in skyrim, I hope their is some thalmor related dlc.

skyrim lead by the stormcloaks could have the strength to protect it's people.

I hate the empire because their quests are so crap and also, banning Talos and siding with the Thalmor. What more reasons do you need to hate the empire?

I know. That's why I said it. If for whatever reason the empire was somehow attacking/initiating aggression toward skyrim, the thalmor would support that. Anything to weaken the empire. Stormcloaks are short sighted, dumb racists. Burn them all.

Also I'm entirely on the greybeards side, not a fan of the blades at all, who used to serve the empire until the thalmor wiped them out.

I believe in Ulfric's history he fought for the empire, was captured and then tortured by elenwen, he has a specific reason to hate the thatmor.

As the greybeards used to teach Ulfric (they aren't usually so welcoming), it must mean they respect him. Another reason I lean more towards Ulfric.

For now, yes. But the Thalmor don't care about short term. What happens if Cyrodiil falls? Then Hammerfell will be wide open and 50 years down the line then it will be Hammerfell's turn to get overrun, sacked, and burned to the ground. Then expect maybe 100 years of consolidation, while the few surviving humans in the now greatly expanded Thalmor territory are systematically broken down and made slaves, and only then will it be time to deal with Skyrim. Then the scheming and spy-games start, key people are assassinated, army orders are falsified, key farms end up with poison in the feed for the livestock, a plague will spread from a city well somewhere, and all of a sudden there's going to be Thalmor buggers everywhere.

The Nords will fight bravely and couragously, but city after city will get sacked, farm after farm will get raided, livestock will be slaughtered, and eventually the Nord resistance will be starved to death. Meanwhile the Thalmor can simply move in their supplies from Cyrodiil. The Nords might be able to repel the invasion, in which case there will be constant raids across the borderlands, massive piracy by sea, and doing anything to stop this means invading Cyrodiil and Hammerfell and kicking out the now heavily dug in Thalmor.

In the short term, Skyrim will be safe under the Stormcloaks but then it would anyway. If you look at a map then there's no suitable invasion route for the Thalmor to attack Skyrim. No matter what, Hammerfell or Cyrodiil has to fall first and that won't happen while the Empire is still intact.

Also I'm entirely on the greybeards side, not a fan of the blades at all, who used to serve the empire until the thalmor wiped them out.

I believe in Ulfric's history he fought for the empire, was captured and then tortured by elenwen, he has a specific reason to hate the thatmor.

As the greybeards used to teach Ulfric (they aren't usually so welcoming), it must mean they respect him. Another reason I lean more towards Ulfric.

The Greybeards do tell you the way of the voice is about peace. And Ulfric is hardly following the way of the voice considering how he has used it. I don't think the greybeards respect that.

This is all conjecture though, whose to say what will happen. Possibly skyrim will form a strong alliance with hammerfell, lead by Ulfric and the dragonborn, whilst the thalmor may have a long term plan, skyrim may grow incredibly in strength. With good incentive too, considering the threat that the empire and thalmor pose.

I believe the reproduction rates of men is huge compared to elves, but elves live longer. In that time skyrim and hammerfell could build a strong fighting force.

Then why would they accept him into their teachings, they aren't welcoming to anyone. True he isn't following their way, but I see the greybeards (as impartial as they are) leaning towards the stormcloaks. Ulfric is after peace in skyrim after all, the above post by svann shows that peace can include the variety of races in skyrim.