This.
It wasn't easy to just go and take glass armour from Ghost gate, Most everything would pimp slap you if you tried to do it at low levels.

Skyrim... You just waste a heap of time grinding.

If you don't smith it is pretty hard to get the higher tiers, just saying.

As for it being easy with smithing, i have no input on how to "fix" that as the skill is about crafting and improving armor.

Its just easier to get the best armour in Skyrim is all. When you compare it with other games (other then maybe Oblivion).

It's actually harder in Skyrim.

How so?

I'd say if you just go off of drops and not Smithing you are 20 times less likely to get a Daedric drop. Morrowind if I had the location, I could easily get a piece of Daedric at level one.

i would also like to know. ten bucks on that the logic is flawed

But even if it isnt hard to do, spending hours grinding smithing is still working toward something, which kind of defines rpg. Also someone mentioned cost, level enchanting with smithing, get banish, make iron daggers, enchant with banish buying only petty and lesser filled gems, sell for profit. I made a ton of gold and got both schools up to 100. Took HOURS though, but once I was in a full ebony set all enchanted apart from helm (need to find decent head enchants), was worth it. Although I admit, the challenge has gone a little.

Indeed. I'm on level 40 and have seen several sets of glass and ebony armor. Even found a daedric bow in a boss chest few levels ago. Why do i never find one when i play my character that does use bows?!

in morrowind you didn't need to limit yourself in game for it to be hard to get good armor. and unless you look through FAQs and walkthroughs on the internet the chanses on finding the exact place where the deadric armor is on level one, is pretty low

may be tedious but not hard

Yeah exactly.
You basically have to derp around to avoid finding stuff in Skyrim.

This.
It never bothered me to be honest but I picked up a frankly awesome piece of armour, and a pimping sword within the very first few levels in Morrowind, in a cave, in a chest and I wasn't even trying.

I have a sneaking suspicion that there is more than a touch of the rose-tinted spex going on here.
(Again).

What sword, what armour and what cave?
Because given Morrowinds design, we can go and find it ourselves.

Frankly I'm not given to believe this because usually places with good loot had hard enemies which you just couldn't beat at low levels due to the character skill combat bias.

This.

Frankly I'm not given to care what you believe; you're more than welcome to go find it yourself though because I'm certainly not going to start playing Morrowind again just to prove a point on the internet.
I would in fact need to go and check the specifics, as it goes, because it's been a fair while since I played. I do recall the cave was below water however and not too far from a settlement.
It certainly wasn't arduous to get though.

And I still say there's definitely a case of the Nostalgias going on here - in the "Oh it was all better in the Olde Days" sense.

What is this soop,an interrogation ? "where have you been when that girl was murdered" ? at least give him the time to think about it - or why not, the opportunity to be wrong/don't remind.

To the Op: well,i miss a lot of things too; but if i really want them i go play the older games instead of Skyrim (or Skyrim modded for pc ) and with all due respect your point its not even so "true" in my opinion

its just very easy to make a statement that is impossible to disprove. So basically if it can't be verified then its pointless adding it other then to cause friction.

I'm aware of that, it doesn't change the fact that that was my experience in Morrowind.
Equally, you must surely agree that many "I wish we had X like we did back in Y" threads are in large part nostalgia threads and are symptomatic of any new arrival and it's subsequent comparisons with previous versions.
IMHO, IAJS, JMO, etc...

I like the people saying "oh, you don't have to limit yourself to get good stuff in MW, like you do in Skyrim".

Meanwhile, the "powergamers" over the last months went on and on about how they "wished Skyrim had hand-placed rare? loot like in MW! It was great, you could go right to it and have all the best stuff at the start."


If you're going to talk about the MW situation (first game, don't know where stuff is vs. repeat plays, can just get the stuff if you choose to), then compare it to the same situation in Skyrim. Knowing how to game the system to grind out "the best gear" at the start isn't equivalent to that first play of MW. It's equivalent to the later "I could walk right to some Deadric/Glass/etc" situation. (i.e, playing MW and choosing to either powergame or limit yourself)

Mmm, I see your point. It's a good one, but I'm not sure I 100% agree.
The first time I looked at the Smithing skill tree I could see it was possible to make Daedric armour. All I had to do was find enough ebony which starts appearing in shop inventories after a certain point (level 20?) and then take a daedra heart that is sitting on a bench.
It's not hard, it is tedious though.

Where as when I played Morrowind, I had NO way of knowing where the daedric armour was. Heck I didn't find it for a LONG time and then when I did, I couldn't just pop it out of thin air and wear it.

I call B.S. on the OP.

What's "good" armor anyway? On Master all armor protection is crap until your rating gets up around 500 or so. The same goes for enchantments. Until your score is around 80, your armor enchantments tend to be pretty weak. So with a smithing score of around 90+ and an enchantment score of about the same, yes, you can make good armor. But not until then.

My kid plays on adept and is still effectively using some crappy studded armor she found at level 5 or 6. So difficulty matters. If you're playing on a weak difficulty level and complaining that armor is too effective, then turn it up.

finding good equipment in morrowind was only hard the first and perhaps second time playing. however if i would play morrowind again now, i would propably still know where to find everything. you just needed to do 1 mages guild quest, steal a bunch of soul gems, sell them, enchant an amulet with 100 open and go to the coprusarium. (on the way there is the cave with chrysamere btw., another artifact) then you could either keep the artifacts or sell them to the museum for tons of money. with the unlimited training system of morrowind, you could even have a high level character with daedric artifacts in 1-2 hours. and normal daedric weapons were thrown at you at the daedric ruins. every second dremora had a daedric weapon, golden saints often had enchanted glass weapons and daedric shields.
its much harder to find those things in skyrim, and grinding smithing is really not as much fun as some here claim. i would rather give me a million gold with the console and buy training than grind dwarven bows or jewelry.

To correct you, you would be able to find the location of where the Daedric Armor is at level 1 but for anybody that actually played Morrowind they would know that knowing where something is and actually being able to get it would NOT be easy at lvl 1, back then they didn't have this leveling scaling system where you could beat the entire MQ at lvl 1. Anybody who says different is lying.

I agree with these points completely.
I think that the bit about beating the MQ on lvl1 is a an exaggeration however - to reverse a previous question I was asked, where in Skyrim can you find and get daedric armour at lvl1?