So we should chip in for a http://www.taquitos.net/im/sn/Reeses-FB.jpg to letter to Bethesda?

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I think thats more or less what peeps would want you to do Gab, I don't understand. here is being said consistently that, if you're gonna be "negative" (there's that word again) its fine as long as its constructive and doesn't contain flames or whatever. what about the "positive people"? where is that " If your gonna defend the game its fine as long as its constructive and doesn't contain flames?

Why is it fine to invalidate someone (because yes it is used as an invalidation tactic) by saying how great everything is? or making Anti-threads? why is it reactive and not proactive? (for the most part) Like this thread?

And whats wrong with people having EXPECTATIONS, not entitlement, Entitlement is just another Negative word being used to describe a wing of people. we're gonna use Expectation/

I simply think it's unprofessional to say a product is being released the "week of April 23" and now it's Friday April 27th and we have heard no word on the Skyrim Kinect.

So not one person on staff could have tweeted, "Gonna be a bit of a delay." No, we just have to send them e-mails asking and posting questions all over IGN, Yahoo, Ask, Xbox.com, etc. wondering what's going on. All could be avoided with 5 seconds of time.

I couldn't agree more Thank you for saying this. I see too many people complain about many other game companies as well but I just don't think they understand the hard work they put into these games and how long it takes to create the game, let alone doing the DLC's expecially Bethesda since the DLC's are so huge this time around. Give em a break like this person said, they are doing their best and I think their best is fantastic.

Hi you all! Glad the two of you are on this thread.
I wouldn't want to turn this into a discussion about TES identity, because, again, SKyrim is my seminal experience with the series. I would think that the common set of features that persisted from Arena all the way up to Oblivion would pretty much define that core identity. Spellcrafting would be one of such features, which, coincidentally, was dropped as of the last instalment. So I see a case for TES being perceived as a watered down version of what it once was, even though I myself am not convinced that is the case and even If it were, that in itself would not bother me. I'm much more intersted in the future direction of the eries. In some cases I advocate a clear departure from its past. Now, @soop, are you sure you can gather that much about a forumer just because he comes here and sounds anxious? It is often forgotten that people come here to discuss, praise and complain, because it's damn fun! I'd go as far as saying it's the main reason people come here and post. it's just damn fun! Keep that in mind.

These threads are always pointless. Some of us think that [insert worshiped developer] can do no wrong, while the rest of us think they have an obligation to provide reasonably bug-free games. Bethesda has failed the second group with Skyrim so far, but the first group will defend the company to the death. Stalemate. No point discussing it, because it always becomes a shouting match.

Usually because it gets so negative that people leave and stop buying the companies games, and then the company goes out of business and the evil demonic demigod has been 'defeated'. Even though the company was never too bad to begin with.

Better yet the people then flock to companies like Ubisoft or EA, which are the real marketing demons and THEY need to crash and burn. Not smaller companies.

Just sayin'.

Not exactly... The second group seems to think that Bethesda should instantly absolutely make their game flawless and should always be yelling exactly what they are doing to the fans so the fans know exactly what to expect, and the company should never vier off of what it has said and should stick exactly to schedule and everything always has to go according to plan and they can never make any mistakes and stuff cant break that they werent expecting and they cant expirement to figure things out and they cant change their games and they must change their games and they need to include mods and everything needs to get what they want and nobody but me should get what I want and they should release bigger patches more often than fix more things and they shouldnt even sleep and they should work all the time and their game should flawless and instantly perfect.

I'm sure you can see where those of us who are 'die hard fans' get a little annoyed with what the other people are saying...

Not really. The $60 was saying, "I hope this is worth the money." Any money spent on a DLC will be saying "Thank you."

So what your saying is that its a bit much to expect a game we have paid for to work as is should. Then rather than ask for DLC we should be happy that they are working on patches to fix things that should of been working form day one.

My goodness. Why would anyone spend the time posting on a thread that they think is pointless? Hmmm....?

same reason Positives, post on "hater" threads to make a point? hthey don't like the hater thread but do it anyway? or maybe they're like me and Like discussion for the sake of discussion

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No, the $60 is "well, might as well try this". Any money spent on DLC is saying "oh look, something I want that wasn't in the game to begin with!"

"thank you" is when you come to their office and handshake their programmers, artists, writers, and concept thinkers (do they have concept level designers?), not Todd Howard, mind you, that's fan interview. Those guys suffer the most during production, and those guys get the lowest salary. Go figure.

I WISH people were as considerate as you.

I'm very well aware of the difference between subjectivity and objectivity thanks. Labeling me a "purist" is quite incorrect as Oblivion was my first TES game and Skyrim is my second. It's common sense that everything, how you feel about Skyrim, how I feel about it, how Metacritic feels about it, etc is purely subjective. People like it or people don't, that's how it goes. It doesn't matter that I'm in the minority or majority, it matters that this is how some players feel. There is nothing wrong with change as long as it is good change. I'm not sure you actually understand how this opinion and subjectivity thing goes. How is it "laughable" to question (and grumble criticize) the removal of systems that have been around in prior games, especially if they were in multiple games? Saying it's "laughable" that people are not happy about Skyrim not having Attributes like Oblivion and Morrowind had is like trying to tell people that it's "laughable" people expected Mario to jump in Super Mario Bros. 8. How is it "laughable" to question the validity of a design decision that makes no logical sense, i.e. Stamina basically being a free resource since no Stamina based action actually has a required value other than 1? That's hardly "laughable."

Your opinion is subjective. My opinion is subjective. In your eyes you are right and I am wrong because the only real truth is the subjective truth, and in my eyes you are wrong and I am right. It doesn't matter if you're in the majority or minority, people are going to think how they want because of expectations they have or standards that have been set before them. That should be common sense and you've essentially added nothing to this conversation other than try and insult people.

Which is the crux of the issue Eric, Impaling others that don't share a belief rather than trying to understand them or give a contrary statement and leave it at that without trying to demean the other, even "politely"

Exactly.

For all my dislike of Skyrim (which is very well documented) I don't single people out for their opinion. I've never said to people that "it doesn't matter what you think," or things of that nature or use the "lalala I am in the majority so I'm right and you're wrong." I talk about the game and leave it at the game. The only time I ever draw a square around someone "personally" (usually just using things as "how do you not understand") is when talking about actual game mechanics (which themselves are subjective).

I don't give nobody a break, that's why I'm following the work of a BIG company, big companies can handle fans pressure and deliver.

I think nerds are just too miserable and negative. They appreciate nothing and look down on everything.

Does anyone anywhere say "po-tah-toe"? (PM me if you know someone who does.)

I think that's a bit of a sweeping statement since it can reasonably be assumed that all 300,000 members are nerds and some of us are quite chipper. What does make me feel miserable and negative is in-fighting in threads (subjective), but the rules state that such in-fighting should be moderated (objective) so I'm going to lock this up.