Hi Darkside Eric! Nice to see you.


The whole Mass Effect 3 finale debacle illustrates your point admirably.

Hi again.

Yes, I myself wouldn't. But perhaps others are more anxious. It's an emotional reaction, I'm sure you realzie it, ironically, one which sends the PR people at BGS the loud and clear directive to keep doing what they've been doing. Because it's working.

Eek. I'm thinking a lot of opinion went into that list. ME3 wasn't exactly received warmly by ME purists who were annoyed with many of the features/departures of ME2. The purists would have argued much the same way as the purists have on this forum, that the ME series was being dumbed down and rebuilt for those without brains... also, like the purists on this forum, they make up a very small minority of the actual consumers of ME3. Basically, the loudest complainers of ME2 are still complaining about ME3 (you can read many a review on Amazon for proof).

I never played Zelda I or II, so I can't comment on that. But I remember everybody loved Zelda I. There weren't many complainers to "change" a Zelda II... same with FFII.

The purists were upset with each subsequent release of Dragon Age, as they were with ME.

I personally haven't played a single Halo game after Halo 2. Is reach good? I'll never know. Halo was good before it wore itself out. You can only kill so many of those aliens before it becomes painfully repetitive.

Edit: Actually, come to think of it... the only trend I see is that the purists always inevitably lose out. The trend is that the games and their mechanics evolve. If shortly after Pearl Jam launched "Ten", the newness of which practically captivated the globe, they launched "Diez" but had all the same exact songs, I doubt it would have sold, especially amongst the people who already owned "Ten" (wait, they did... "Vs.").

Yes. Therein lies the irony. I agree.
The more people pant and moan for more information, the more that reinforces to the publisher that they should keep us all on a tight leash.

Simplicity itself.

Yes, Mass Effect 3 getting the extended ending is probably the biggest media/marketed cry out from fans to get a positive change done.

Lest we forget our own series, TES, and believe it too is free of people "complaining" to get things done.

Remember Oblivion enemy scaling and how harsh it could be? Don't see it anymore do you?

Hi by the way.

Mass Effect 3 ending got an extension to it, that's a perfect example of what I am talking about. Also many features that were removed between 1 and 2 were returned back into 3 because people did not like them being removed. Not to mention some mechanics of 2, like planet scanning, were not particularly liked and thus were removed from 3.

Zelda II is the "black sheep" of the Zelda franchise (not counting the CDi games) and was highly criticized by fans because of the 2D side scrolling battle mechanic. There has only been one Zelda game since then to have any 2D side scrolling mechanic, and in very small portions, and that would be Link's Awakening.

Final Fantasy II is also criticized for its leveling and battle mechanics. Leveling was done kind of on a TES basis. In order to level up a character's Defense and Health you literally had to let them be hit. This led to the strategy of finding very low level enemies that could not harm you and simply casting spells and using attacks on your own party members to level them. No other Final Fantasy has since used this same system because of the criticism it received.

Final Fantasy XIV was an absolute flop. It's being completely re~made. Or mostly anyway.

Dragon Age 3 actually had BioWare put out an open forum for fans to see what they want done being as Dragon Age II was slammed with criticism.

perhaps a seafood platter would be better for that anology.

Thank you Bethesda, I really mean it, no sarcasm.

Even though I didnt agree with quite a bit in the game, it was still a fun game.

Most of the threads ive read are not asking for the dlc to come out nlw, most people have stated that they want them to take their time and do it right and not rush it. Alot of the agro is coming from Beth statimg that they would release info on the dlcs in a certain month and then when the month is comining to a close, they dont post a topic or anyghing, a person tweets that we MIGHT get some information next week which would ne the start of the month and dont even get me going about the whole dishonor deal.

Thats why alot of people are complaining BC we was told we would get something to wet our paletes and instead we get the whole fonv approach again. It seems the only thing they learned about PR is never to say SOON again, otherwise they pulling the same forgetful crap they did their last game.

We dont want a rushed product we juat want the lil bit of info they said they was gonna give us at a time date, and yet again they always late and can ya tell im pissed about the whole MAY or MIGHT comment?

How about a Poo Poo Platter?

Umm... speak for yourself.

This customer is completely happy with the "supply" I have been given.

If I never get another thing from Bethesda for Skyrim, I will be a completely satisfied customer with the product that I got.

I'm glad you took it so personally.

Seriously, I don't need to put "in my opinion" for things. It was a general statement. If people feel differently and play the part of the "exception" that's a given and doesn't need to be stated.

I don't need to state "I am speaking for myself, in my opinion, so please don't think I mean 100% of everybody" because it should be a given and common sense.

You like the game, great for you, others don't. Don't take it personal if you are an exception to someone's general statement.

ha true, i just threw that in there because i was commenting on steam in another thread...steam=evil so i'm spreading the word

@carrots, thanks for the compliment.

I love TES so it bothers me when beth doesnt do their best to please us loyal fans who please their pockets with our money...you cant please us all but you can work harder at fixing mistakes

You don't understand how things work very well do you?

They were able to "create so much in 1 week" because - those things were all they were focusing on, when during the years of development, they were focusing on everything in the game, and even some things that didn't make it!!

During the GameJam, they were able to spend a week without worrying about balancing, developing, or even bug testing, and just got to add stuff into the game.

You know - like modders, who spend a week modding and then think that they can make a better game than Bethesda...

Learn how the world works before you criticize, because you obviously don't get it.

Except that your statement wasn't "a given, and common sense", your statement was that the customers aren't satisfied.

Maybe you should quit generalizing, and quit acting like your vocal minority is actually a majority. Here's a hint: I'm not the exception. You are.

Yet you are the one who had to make it known to single yourself out and make sure people knew you were happy.

My statement was a given because this is an internet forum. Anything I say, unless I back it up with cited facts, is opinion, thus there is no reason to type out "in my opinion" or "I don't mean 100% of everybody when I say a general statement."

Stop taking it personally. It doesn't matter which side of the argument is the majority and minority because either side can make a general statement with the knowledge and intent that they know said general statement is still just an opinion.

On topic: People aren't happy that they have not heard any news about DLC, some people don't care and some people can wait. That's all that matters. But we don't need to "stop pressuring," "give them a break" or such things. They are professionals, they are grown advlts. I'm pretty sure they can handle people caring or not caring fairly well.

With all of the incredible mods available and even better ones on the horizon I have already gotten more out of the money I spent on this game than any other game I have ever played so I am more than satisfied with my purchase. Would I like some DLC? Of course. Am I foaming at the mouth and losing sleep over when it will be released? Nope. I am fine with Beth taking all the time they need to release DLC. Until then I will just enjoy the mods. If I were on console I might have a slightly different opinion since I wouldn't have all the options available to me now but as it stands I'm in no big hurry.

this^^^

"Pressuring" means you feel a sense on entitlement.

A sense of entitlement is an improper feeling to have. Bethesda could stop supporting Skyrim today, and you would not be entitled to anything more than that.

There is nothing for you to "pressure", because you are not "entitled" to anything.

You really think Beth is feeling grief from the Forumers? ha

and while it never hurts to say thanks, you've done more than enough lining their pockets with Currency and word of mouth. seriously they aren't hurting.

This, also.

I don't think Beth needs it, but the forum certainly does-there's a pretty impressive sense of entitlement on these forums

there is no minority or majority, we all paid for our games..hopefully all of us did. We are all entitled to our opionion even if we are the only ones.

Now there are quite a few who have given beth more money than others, but tbh ive learned that beth dosent care about that. They alrdy have our money, none of us are special..maybe the peps on xbox the exception..that was a joke also.

Moral of the story, we can bash discuss whatever, it dosent make one difference because they dont care if u loved the game or straight out hated it. They have ur money and to them that means that u agreed and liked everything about tje game. They are a business, nothing more. Yes they used to be more than that, but now they got a [censored]load of money and ur opionion mine or anyomes elses dosent matter because they alrdy got the green.

Discuss debate whatever, yal just quit atking because it dosent change anything. Let people be happy if they happy, because most likely the next game rolls around, theyll be repeating the same stuff weve been saying and their be a new brand of customers that will take his her spot.

Now im off to go finish this 12 paxk. Spread the love yal and go fire off some guns!

Amen redneck, I pound my drum about this last year about going to these forums, for some reason folks think because you go to these forums you're a different breed and aren't worth the attention or some marginalizing aspect that's just that, Marginalizing. it serves no purpose and is only at attempt to invalidate the opinions of others -For no reason- everyone here for the most part payed for their game, everyone here is a fan and everyone here have opinions of their own. the only difference between them and those that don't come here is attendance...that's it. so yes I do find it laughable to think people here have a sense of entitlement.....Like those who don't frequent here Don't? Did they not pay for the product? this isn't a charity stop trying to stonewall people because you're happy and they aren't.

Well said

We're making them millions of dollars by buying their games so they should be kissing our feet.