Yeah, I never said one side was right or wrong. I just believe that the world has gone bad, the Ark was a paradise and that refugees came. At least that's what the game developers are saying. But then of course they could be completely lying to us about the background of the game, which I highly doubt. There is probably going to be a twist to the story, but to suggest that the world is actually fine and that the Ark is a lie is a bit wrong. The fact that the refugees fled to the Ark from a very screwed up world doesn't lend to your idea either.

Yep my fault thanks for the clarity

Ah okay see that was my fault. I didn't know that the resistance was made up of refugees. I thought it was the natives repelling against the security. Okay that explains a lot. Thanks

Np, yeah they fled from a shattered world to the paradise of the Ark and the Ark has suffered because of this, now there is a war on the Ark for control.

sooooo........ the war is resistance's fault???? :unsure:

More like the selfishness of humans to not sacrifice what they have for the betterment of everyone has caused those with nothing to act against those with everything.

so the war is everyones fault??? :unsure:

Simplified = More like the selfishness of humans to not sacrifice what they have for the betterment of everyone has caused the Resistance to act against the Security.

That's what I think anyway, but there is always two sides to one story...

If a work colleague of yours moved into the house next door, yet they had nothing at all in their house, would you honestly give up half of everything you own? Would you honestly give up your amenities equally and fairly? No.

Did this work colleague just have his entire house...entire city, state, country, etc. wiped out by a massive flood? I think in that case, people from all over would offer their help. And the amenities are not yours to give...They are the Ark's as a whole, that were distributed unfairly.

Exactly, couldn't have said it better

To be honest the same thing is kind of happening today even. Massive earthquake in Haiti? Sure, we send relief and stuff, but most citizens don't actually donate anything. As a general rule, we're greedy and selfish beings. Sad but true. And even then it's not like we're sending them five star cuisine and goose down blankets. I think something along those lines happened on the Ark. The refugees came and the original inhabitants charitably gave them just enough to survive. After all, it's one thing to help people, but another thing entirely to give away most of what you own, reducing yourself to the same level as those you are trying to help.

the greediness and selfishness of humans, is brought on by outside conditions and the environment. They are not inherent or "natural" human traits. People feel reluctant to donate to Haiti, because they themselves have bills to pay and need to eat, need to put kids through school, etc. We act this way because we live in a society of scarcity - controlled scarcity. It is the monetary system that fundamentally shapes our behavior in our everyday lives, and is one of the greatest forms of control the power that be have over us.

Fair point.

You're still going to jail when I catch you...

Let him have his fun for now...and no jail, im thinking a bullet in the skull. :gun:

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No.

Greed is a natural human emotion. Not even JUST greed, humans are total monsters in every way naturally, its just that your social identity and reputation make people not show it. The second people have any sort of anonymity or authority they take full advantage of it and reveal themselves as the jerks that they are. It is goodness and compassion that are taught to people, usually by religion.

At the same time, however, people have every right to compete, to be able to say, "I worked harder than you. This is mine, and not yours." The Ark was designed to be a utopia. Part of being a utopia is having that right. The Founders provided the refugees with what they absolutely needed, and that was all they were required to give. They didn't need to let the refugees on board, the Ark ran just fine on its own. The refugees didn't need to specifically go to The Ark, as there are probably other bastions of mankind deeper inland.

Also me and Juke are twins now.

23 buddy and I am doing resistance...

Be a real men ,who don't fight for a job, but what they believe in...

Less government control is good

to much government is bad, this i agree to, to little government involvement is not good either
i hope my post isnt deleted for this but

To much government involvement= Russia

To little=Somalia

those are the facts

this is a complete fallacy, and backed by nothing. Show me ANY sort of proof governing the fact that humans are inherently greedy, or bad, regardless of any conditions that influence them. In a society where money rules all - It's hard not to show greed, selfishness, or distrust. Humans are not inherently bad, they are simply a product of their society.


Again, this has to to do with outside conditions and environment. People who have 'authority' or 'power' do so under current conditions and reasons. In a leadership based society such as ours, whether it be Kings, Presidents, CEO's, etc. their is a whole persona that goes with authority and power. In a society where decisions are arrived at, not made. Where everyone has a say in everything, and society is based around equality, not a tier or class system like we have now, the reason or basis of power is practically eliminated. There needs to be a reason for someone to want authority or power, and in our current competitive society, those reasons are usually not noble - remove the reasons, you remove the want for power. I think we can both agree money is a legitimate reason to want authority or power - remove the need for money, you just removed a want or need for power - you also just removed the reason behind about 90% of crime. People act the way the do because they feel obligated to. In a society where one needs to "earn" a living, it's hard not to be greedy or competitive in just day to day life - the system thrives on it. Society is man made, it isn't carved in stone. We have just swayed so far off course, that unacceptable and aberrant behavior have become "the norm."


organized religion is one of the most powerful, mind-numbing forms of control on the planet.



In a Utopian society, a "I worked harder than you. This is mine, and not yours," type of mindset not only wouldn't be needed, but it wouldn't be wanted. There wouldn't be any reason for fighting or greed because there would be enough for everyone.


Why would the Founders of a "Utopia" feel the need to only give what was required? That isn't something visionaries do, that is what cutthroat CEO's of big business and corporations do, to give themselves a good reputation.



It's not about "The Ark ran fine without them," it's about human beings needing help, and the Ark, which is supposed to be the salvation for mankind, doing what it was built for.


Which is exactly what the Resistance is trying to do - CONTACT THE MAINLAND. Either there isn't anyone left, of The Ark isn't doing all it can.


I suggest people watch the video at the link below. Although it is almost 2 hours long, it is extremely informative and insightful.

http://vimeo.com/10707453

Hey HORSE and Reptile? Would you guys not have your arguement here, because I don't think people want to see this thread being closed, alright? Thanks.




On another note.....

Security FTW!!!!

we need to keep the supplies rationed because, in a place where there are limited resources, we cant get more if we run out - the distribution is already fair enough. plus, the refugees should have to work their way up like any other citizen of the ark - in fact, the world - has to.



Humans ARE greedy - we're obsessed with self preservation and improving our own lifestyles that we're destroying the environment, when every other animal makes up for all of its own destruction of the environment (except for cows, they can't come back from sh1tt1ng us out of existence). We create so much for ourselves so we end up wasting it all. which will, in effect, flood the world and create a situation which feels slightly like Brink - a wrecked world with very little having survived and limited resources.

This is due to surrounding environment and outside conditions, not inherent human traits. Did you go to link I posted? I suggest you do.

Hey guys, seriously, can you keep it on topic? Either that or just start a thread for discussing the nature of humans. Alright? Kthxbye.



On another note,
go security. We could use another security person to help keep down the players that are nonstop playing as "The Anger".

yeah... that's an idea Krytt. and I don't care about the amount of people playing as the anger - it'll just point out all of the noobs who will be free xp to people with common sense.

Security ftw :celebration: :foodndrink: :hubbahubba: :disguise: :goodjob: :mohawk: :bowdown:

not only do u get an extra water ration u also get..... :cookie: