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Smithing is overpowered not because we can make it so, but because Bethesda made it so. It's there for us, waiting to be used. Once you know how to work around it then you know the potential. Master difficulty doesn't even have this in consideration. It was made RAW and now we know the consequences.

Actually you are the one who refuses or doesn't understand.

Sure...becuase these types of threads never end.
They will go on and on until these types of min max I can't control myself players move on to something else.

Until then, I feel it's my duty to try and educate these players on how TES games work,

And that part that you are not understand is that you dont have to use it. Just because you can do something doent mean you have to. You can steer your car with your feet but that doesn't make it a good idea. Under your logic, if you got in an accident you would blame the auto manufaturer for not making the car have leg straps so you couldn't steer with your feet. Yes i know its a dramatic example....flame away, lol

My main is only lvl 39 now. My only skill that I have worked up to 100 is Alteration. I have never opted to craft, as I find it terribly boring. I play on master difficulty. I find some encounters absolutely insanely difficult.

I am having a blast. To bad the OP can't just enjoy the game for pete's sake.

The problems with crafting are deeply connected to how horribly balanced the combat system in general is. Honestly, I'm not sure of the best way to go about fixing it short of scrapping the current system, more or less, and starting over.

Right now, I think the defense stats are problematic because they give accelerating returns with investment. Each point of any defense is more and more valuable than the last. Short of quite high levels, how good the defenses of a character are hard to predict. Even then, if a person doesn't have maxed defensive stats, balancing around max defense will screw them over (going down from 80% defense to 70% increases the damage by 33%, enough to easily turn nasty hits into one-shot kills). I really think defenses need diminishing returns and perhaps a level-based factor, so it is easier to have good defense against people of your level -- right now at low levels armor does very little, which seems really odd to me.

Offense is similarly rather up in the air. Yes, crafting issues make it much, much worse, but it's still a problem. Then the magic system is a complete mess on several levels. Monsters are fairly horribly balanced, in my experience, where you can have spans of levels where things seem to be at a pretty good balance point except you suddenly run into a guy in a dungeon or the like that one-shots you left and right -- it seems a bit too binary in difficulty to me.

Regarding crafting, I half-think that perks should just be done away with for crafting skills, and the benefits of crafting need to be toned down. You should also be able to pay someone to do crafting for you, but this should be pretty massively expensive (a gold sink for people who go with gold-related perks...the game could use some gold sinks). Enchanting should probably have an improvement options, where you can make an existing enchantment better. That way good loot can still be nice, since you could get an item you can improve but couldn't ever make yourself -- your skill is not made irrelevent by the item and the item isn't made irrelevent by your skill.

I don't know though, there's definitely a sweet-spot during the leveling process, in my experience, where things feel pretty good with some hiccups. It has tons of messed-up spots, however. Everything is so interconnected that fixing it is far from trivial, imho. Best a crafting fix could do is address some of the grossest problems, but fine-tuning is impossible without a coherent plan to piece together all the different aspects of combat and such.

Granted, bad combat systems is nothing new for TES. I kind of think they don't try hard to add depth to the game experience, and aim to just have a very wide and shallow pool in all ways...which produces lots of problems in gameplay of course, while still providing a lot to do.

Educate? Don't make me laugh. Just because people have been weaned on such drivel for so long, does not make it acceptable, when it is just an excuse for repeatedly allowing the developers to get away with shoddy balance and game design in the guise of player freedom.

Perhaps the reason Bethesda still has no idea what they're doing is because they don't get enough negative feedback and folks like you simply shrug and say "meh it's a single player game who cares."

Am i, now?

well in that case you will ultimately be dissapointed when it comes to bethesdas reaction to this thread, that being, there won't be any change done on bethesda's part. however, there are a few modders how expressed a common sentiment with you. its likely that they, or some one like them will eventually make a mod that would satisfy your issues with the way the game is now.

my recomendation for you to move forward from this point would be to participate, or start conversations about how and what mods could do specificly to satisfy your desire for change. this sub forum will be the most helpful and relevant place to procede from here http://www.gamesas.com/forum/183-skyrim-mods/

other wise your really not going to find any constructive or proactive contributions on the general discussion, as the people who partake in this part of the forum generally only really want to contribute their opinion.

This one? This one gets it. Awesome.


This one? This one does not. Pity.

Dull statement. You're going against me just because. I tire replying to people like you in all honesty.

Read my reply to llamaRCA on page 6... if you want that is. Otherwise don't bother prolonging our conversation.

Seriously?

Eh...I had this cool response...but your comments abaove aren't worth my time other than to say....over 10 million sold and several GOTY awards.

I'm thinking Bethesda knows how to make a game...you just don't understand how to play it.

And your statement of "Am i, now?" was just riveting.

Yes because i tire of repeating myself. Put yourself in my position. How would you react?

CoD is pretty popular too, and look what blindly following success has turned it into? A rehash every year that makes money, but largely remains stagnant.

It's getting to the point where I'd have to quote my own earlier post to argue with people, kind of takes the fun out of it if no one is reading any of it.

I kinda did already...but again...I'll start by asking how many perk points did you put into the crafting skill trees.

If you maxed out...or nearly did...your crafting perks...you'll be god like.

If you kept your perk points or put them somewhere else, you'll be good...but not "overpowered".

Perk points are where it's at. Stop spending them and maxng the out. That's the mechanic already buitl in the game for limiting growth.

Ok I am in your position now. I find smithing extremly over powered. I then think to myself, " Hey I can just not use it." Or instead of using your crafted daedric dagger with damage of 224, use one with base damage. There is no gun to my head. Problem solved. I mean it really doesn't get much simplier then that.

If that doesn't work then get your mom to write a letter to Bethesda explaining to them that their child is incapable of thinking for themselves and if you give them a fork they will stab themselves with it just because they can.

inb4closing beth wont change a thing we need CK and thats all

Sorry but I think they have nerfed enough in TES in the last 10 years. If players do NOT have any self control not to exploit things in a game, that isn't the companies problem, it is YOURS!!!! No one is forcing people to max them as fast as possible. IMHO I am really sick of hand holding and dumbing games down more because people need a babysitter even to play a video game anymore.....LOL

God... i am playing on master... don't you understand? MASTER. I'll repeat, MASTER. It should be a challenge, but it's not.

I chose the right path in smithing and the middle one in enchanting. Smithing is at 100 and enchanting is at 89.

Being able to grind/power craft has been a hallmark of TES. I don't do it, but I have some friends who do and have a blast.
Actually, the removal of spell crafting has nerfed the exploits quite a bit for good or bad.

You're being rude now.

MASTER only really changes hit points given and hit points taken.

Don't YOU understand?

And place a single perk point only. Never more than that. Unless you find things too hard. Then add. Slowly. Not every level.