I got killed in Solitude for wearing Stormcloak armour. Does that count?

Perfectly? I'm beginning to think that you're an Obsidian developer. Aside from the obvious flaws with faction armor, that game is probably the most buggy in history (speaking of critical defects). If I had never played the game in my life and only gathered information about it from your posts, I would think that it's the best game ever created. Then, I'd purchase it, pop it in, and be swiftly disappointed.

. Aside from the obvious flaws with faction armor,

. I'm guessing that you must have played it on the PC.

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On a side note SuraAI is working in a total convention and that is awesome news for all Skyrim funs.

You know what I think is a huge problem with Bethesda's design philosophy?

Bethesda doesn't know how to tell the customer "no." It's a "the customer's always right" philosophy when they design the game, but the result is that it heavily breaks immersion, because sometimes the customer wants something that....well, is entirely different from your own product or ffs just makes no freaking sense. I mean if a customer says "your Coca Cola should have hunks cheese in it," that might be a case where the customer is wrong.

What ends up happening is Bethesda is afraid to expand on existing mechanics. Someone suggests faction armor and then it's this "what if what if" scenario where Bethesda actually ends up producing NOTHING because they're afraid of stepping on someone's toes.

You know that scene from Evangelion where Shinji is told "ok here's a blank slate, you can make whatever (world) you want." Shinji doesn't know what he wants and makes nothing. The voice then makes suggestions of POSSIBLE things he could make to help him decide. The voice creates a ground for Shinji, then proceeds to explain that now he has something to work with as an advantage, but as a disadvantage, the ground also provides a limit: Shinji can't just effortlessly move down anymore because a ground exists.

This is Bethesda's issue. They know they COULD make the ground, but they're afraid to because they know someone out there somewhere might hate having a limit imposed upon them. Bethesda can't say no.
The bitter irony is that it's IMPOSSIBLE to create a world and not have limits. FFS, you HAVE to become a werewolf to continue a certain quest chain that has nothing to do with werewolves. So why fight it? Why be phobic of limitations if they're a fact of life and an inevitability? Why don't we have logical limitations (faction armor meaning something) and instead we have random illogical ones (becoming a werewolf to complete a major quest chain that has jack to do with werewolves)?

All Bethesda's phobia of limits and of saying "no" is doing is....well, limiting their own creations.

I hated the faction armour in NV, there was no point in wearing Legion stuff because you'd just be attacked everywhere.

Do you have more info on this?

Yes the game is buggy, but it's one of the best rpgs I've played in years I personally enjoyed playing it more than Skyrim.

Like what exactly?

I play on PC and for me vanilla runs better than vanilla F3 does in terms of bugs. Thing is though, different people do seem to have different experiences. And weren't Bethesda responsible for NV QA?

I hated the faction armour in NV, there was no point in wearing Legion stuff because you'd just be attacked everywhere.

Perfectly? I'm beginning to think that you're an Obsidian developer. Aside from the obvious flaws with faction armor, that game is probably the most buggy in history (speaking of critical defects). If I had never played the game in my life and only gathered information about it from your posts, I would think that it's the best game ever created. Then, I'd purchase it, pop it in, and be swiftly disappointed.

I'm guessing that you must have played it on the PC. I play it on the Xbox (still really try hard to play it... though some critical bug, be it a system crash, corrupted saves, or a quest-breaking bug, will always inevitably appear within a few hours of playing it forcing me to quit for another few months). I'd imagine with the PC there are mods and unofficial patches that take care of the many bugs that console players were just abandoned with by Obsidian/Bethesda after they decided not to support the piece of junk any longer.

You completely misinterpreted what he said.

He means that if he's LOVED by the Legion and puts on Legion faction armor, his legion fame will drop to neutral because now he's not the hero Courier, but just a soldier peon. It's not a glitch, it's a mechanic some people disagree with, saying the faction that loves you should recognize you.

Like it or not, everyone does not think like you do.

In fact, if they made the game *exactly* how you wanted it, there would be threads on this forum complaining that they broke the mechanics, that they deviated too far from their original path, etc.

especially those with much more refined tastes... like yourself.

Not a glitch... oooookkkkkk.... head in the clouds.

Umm... so you're not a customer? Because if I'm reading you correctly, you're saying that Bethesda didn't do anything right. You obviously purchased the game and probably have purchased other Bethesda titles in the past. So, technically, that would mean that Bethesda's problem is *not* the "customer is always right* philosophy (which is, by the way, the correct philosophy when it comes to providing goods and services), it's actually the other way around.

The thing is, opinions are like [censored]s, everybody's got one. It would be impossible to create a game that would please everyone, especially those with much more refined tastes... like yourself. In fact, if they made the game *exactly* how you wanted it, there would be threads on this forum complaining that they broke the mechanics, that they deviated too far from their original path, etc. Simply because opinions are like [censored]s, everybody's got one.

So, I would say that your arguments would probably do better if you structured them in more a subjective manner rather than pretending that they are objective fact. Like it or not, everyone does not think like you do. And judging by the sales, user reviews, and overall popularity of Skyrim, I think that the number of those who do is smaller than you my think.

Umm... so you're not a customer? Because if I'm reading you correctly, you're saying that Bethesda didn't do anything right. You obviously purchased the game and probably have purchased other Bethesda titles in the past. So, technically, that would mean that Bethesda's problem is *not* the "customer is always right* philosophy (which is, by the way, the correct philosophy when it comes to providing goods and services), it's actually the other way around.

The thing is, opinions are like [censored]s, everybody's got one. It would be impossible to create a game that would please everyone, especially those with much more refined tastes... like yourself. In fact, if they made the game *exactly* how you wanted it, there would be threads on this forum complaining that they broke the mechanics, that they deviated too far from their original path, etc. Simply because opinions are like [censored]s, everybody's got one.

So, I would say that your arguments would probably do better if you structured them in more a subjective manner rather than pretending that they are objective fact. Like it or not, everyone does not think like you do. And judging by the sales, user reviews, and overall popularity of Skyrim, I think that the number of those who do is smaller than you my think.

Yes it's in http://www.sureai.de/

One of the reasons I respect Longknife so much is that he doesn't have 'refined tastes' (No offence)

His opinions aren't down-to-the-grain specific. He suggested 4 or so things that only about maybe 10% of BGS's fan's wouldn't want. I don't see how you justify calling his arguments 'pretending objective fact'

Above. Yes, Bethesda was responsible. I'm not a *defender* of Bethesda, I've just noticed how many NV fans have their heads in the clouds. However, before QA comes development. And, though (as a developer) I'd love to shift *all* the blame onto QA, Obsidian doesn't exactly have a rosey history when it comes to clean games. Every one of their games that I've played was buggy (and those were played on the PC) to high hell. So, there is a track record there and because of that, blame is shared between the two of them.

None taken, though I do wonder wtf you mean.

In the context it sounds like you mean I don't have specific tastes in any one direction, I'm just complaining about basics (better writing, superior companion interface > inferior and should therefore be included).

New Vegas actually crashed less for me than F3 did. Not sure where people are getting this "Buggiest game in history" concept from.

The ideas he's suggesting aren't features with pros and cons. They're features that would only really help the game world and implement them better.

Now hold on, before you start spewing that "it's buggy" crap at me, let me explain something. Wanting a feature is completely different than Expecting a feature based on developer ability. Faction armor is realistic. I can't see why somebody wouldn't want it, other than the idea that "Bethesda will make it buggy."

Longknife's only really opinionated suggestion is hardcoe mode. And all he said is that "It would be nice", not that it's an essential key factor to the game. I personally don't like hardcoe mode, because none of the games have done it realistically to me, yet.

Companion AI. Who wouldn't want better companion AI? If we got better companion AI, who's going to make a thread if Bethesda made it better saying "I miss the old crappy AI where my companion would run into doors. Why did you remove it bethesda!? Rageragerage"

One of the reasons I respect Longknife so much is that he doesn't have 'refined tastes' (No offence)

His opinions aren't down-to-the-grain specific. He suggested 4 or so things that only about maybe 10% of BGS's fan's wouldn't want. I don't see how you justify calling his arguments 'pretending objective fact'

Every Bethesda game i've played has been buggy as hell. F3 used to give me hard crashes.
Thing is, people seem to want to cast NV as buggiest game eva! while I can't see that it was worse than other games on thesame buggy engine and people are usually going on about it being buggy in the context of Obsidian vs Bethesda which is unfair given Bethesda were equally if not more responsible for the state NV was released in.

Every Bethesda game i've played has been buggy as hell. F3 used to give me hard crashes.
Thing is, people seem to want to cast NV as buggiest game eva! while I can't see that it was worse than other games on thesame buggy engine and people are usually going on about it being buggy in the context of Obsidian vs Bethesda which is unfair given Bethesda were equally if not more responsible for the state NV was released in.

Exactly.

People seem to want to say that on a scale from 1 to 10, Bethesda is a 6 on buggy games and Obsidian is a 10.
Hell no, both of them rank at 7 or 8. Exact same level of bugs present in both New Vegas and other Bethesda titles.
I'm sorry your game doesn't work, but please realize you're an anomaly. The only group of NV customers with a pattern of game stability/performance issues are PS3 users, who btw, also have stability/performance issues with Skyrim.

What? You *do* work for Obsidian! LOL!