That does'nt mean "Thousands" are in one place at one time.

Chances are, The "Bulk" of the Legion are in their homeland.

Or New Canaan.

What's the 'bulk'? How many is that? Why would he only commit a handful to the front lines when there's so much at stake then? "Let me take this extremely valuable dam, but ill send out less than sufficient numbers to try and do so and keep my vast bulk in their homeland". You said 'chances are', so if that's the case he's a svcky commander.

Oh so what your saying is, Now I'm using this as an example..

If you could, You would send all your troops to Iraq and leave America as a whole, Vunerable to attack?

Now you would be a horrible commander.

And the Bulk being the main force.

The Legion are a bunch of vicous sadists, murderers, slavers, mysoginists and generally all-around bad people. Sure, they borrowed some of the trappings of ancient Rome, but in practice they have more in common with the Taliban. They're clearly evil.



Caesar's idea of civilization is an antihumanist military dictatorship. Thanks but no thanks.



Go listen to whatshisnames' dialogue again. The Legion doesn't actively protect trade caravans, it killed off or enslaved everyone in the territories it conquered; as a result, the trade routes have become safe.

Completely different circumstances. You don't send out less than sufficient numbers to take a heavily fortified position like the dam and leave your bulk back at your far from the front lines homeland. You imply that he sent out less than 'thousands' to the front lines judging by one of your responses. Stupid commander to think you can take a dam with numbers like that. Completely different than the high tech wars we fight now and a ridiculous comparison.

I don't remember a mention that the Legions forces were insufficient in numbers in the fight of the dam, just Graham doing his job badly (and paying for it later).

It's not as ridiculous as you'd want it to sound because Caesar's rule depends on the threat of force. If he doesn't leave sizable forces behind in the territories he conquered, the conquered people wouldn't have much to hold them down where they are. If Caesar left a small or no garrison at all in his territories, he wouldn't have control of his empire for very long.

In short, not garrisoning forces in your empire (especially in a military dictatorship) is a very stupid and shortsighted way of prosecuting war. Caesar most definitely has left the bulk of his forces elsewhere.

Okay so this is possibly what Caesars plan is/was..

Send a wave of people to take Hoover dam led by Graham.

Graham Failed, So what he does next in my mind is, He sends a lesser number of people to try and wipe out as many NCR as possible, These troops are not expected to survive, Just waste NCR Resources.

After they die, And the NCR has their replacements in, They send in some veterans, To settle in the land, And shortly after, Send in a Bigger force.

Start off slowly while the NCR's main force dies out and has no more replacements, And while the NCR thinks the Legions full force is with them, The CL strike with the real force and wipe out the rest of the NCR.

Both are bad guys........and good guys.

Much like just about every country on the planet and their enemies.

No matter who you side with, you're not guaranteed to get a warm fuzzy feeling at the end. The world just isn't that simple (except in the Capitol Wasteland apparently).

I thought powder gangers were the opposite of FotA?
Completely evil.

Sorry to pick nits but "Jack and Diane" was actually a John Cougar song. Sorry, a bit bored today.



Finished my first play through a couple nights ago. Yup, sided with Caesar.



Sounds reasonable to me.

I thought he was John Cougar Mellencamp ...

Yes, they would crucify you if you stole from them, no matter who you were. McCarthy and his contemporaries never tortured people, just blackballed them. Bastard helped destroy Hollywood and the Golden Age of Studio.


John Cougar=John Cougar Mellencamp...You do know this right? His last name isn't Cougar...And Christian Death>Manson

NCR - Bloated and virtually ineffective.

The Legion - Delusional pretenders.

The Boomers - Violent xenophobes. Remember your first encounter?

I sided with Mr. House. He is the only one with a real long-term plan for humanity. He created the safest place in the Mojave Wasteland (not completely safe - but much safer than anywhere else). The NCR and the Legion have no plans beyond ruling more territory, and are content to wait around and see what the future brings. I would not want to be ruled by either of them.

Mr. House was right about everything that happened up to the start of the game, and there is no reason to believe that his future "predictions" would be any less accurate.

All the factions are violent in one way or another - as you would undoubtedly have to be in such a world.

I wonder what happens to House's plan once his robots run out or once people with EMP weapons show up on his door-step.

It hadn't happened in all the time he's been there. If it was that easy - he wouldn't be an issue at all.

"Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both"



But alas, for all his superiority and bluster, he ended up svcking on the end of Tesla Goth's riot shotgun at the end of the day.

To his credit, he remained an arrogant pr**k up to his final breath. :gun:

One of the greatest men in history said that. Excellent quote! :rock:

The Legion is the worst group in the game. The enslave people and call our characters bad names lol. I only sided with them once just for the achievements, other than that any Legion I see is a dead Legion.

There was no "John Cougar Mellencamp" until the 1983 album "Uh-Huh". "Jack and Diane" is from the 1982 release "American Fool", the final album by "John Cougar".

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v122/demonhoopa/album-american-fool.jpg


Yeah but Manson makes a BAMF avatar.

Its all the same person, a mediocre soft rock schmuck. Just because he wants to change his lame name a bunch doesn't make them different people.

I never said they were different people. Told you I was bored. I would have never made the joke if I was aware you take yourself so seriously.

Yay! Let's pull out the D&D alignments!

NCR - Lawful Neutral - You'll see alot of these guys doing good in the wastes, but the fact remains that the military exists to uphold the ambitions of faceless politicians. The politicians aren't interested in doing good, so much as preserving their office. A noteworthy example is the NCR sending their power-armored elite to protect wealthy brahmin barons instead of common folk who need it more.

Legion - Lawful Evil - Caesar entertains no dillusions about what the Legion is. He readily admits that he intends on building a monolithic military dictatorship on the back of slave labor. However, the Legion follows the rule of Caesar's law. They abstain from chems and other addictive substances, and only attack wastelanders when they have a specific purpose in mind. You'll never see a Legionary killing someone solely for the joy of killing.

Brotherhood of Steel - True Neutral - The embodiment of this trope in the Wasteland. They subscribe to no doctrine but their own, and put as much distance between themselves and the unwashed masses as possible. With their technology, they could do countless good (and evil) deeds in the wastes...but they don't. They hoard, and they wait.

Boomers - True Neutral - A close second to the Brotherhood in terms of true neutrality. They're a close-knit community driven by their fear and xenophobia. They wield countless resources, some of which are capable of great destruction, but use them only to defend themselves from interlopers. Another group with the capacity to do either great good or great evil, but chooses to abide in solitude, instead.

Great Khans - Chaotic Neutral - A band of raiders who abide strictly to the precepts set by their leaders and ancestors. The Khans could be perceived as either good or evil, depending on which side of the NCR you live on. The Khans perceive raiding to be a craft akin to any other - they make their living by robbing caravans, instead of production or agriculture. Therefore, when a Khan kills you, he's not doing it because it's fun, or because he's idle. He's doing it to feed his family, and gain glory for his clan.

The Kings - Chaotic Good - On the surface, the Kings may appear to be a gang of thugs like any other. Upon closer inspection, however, one finds that the Kings devote themselves to preserving the liberties of their members, and of Freeside, in general. They do good, but they flagrantly ignore the laws set in place by the NCR. If the law comes between them and their goals, there will be conflict.

The Followers - True Good - Neither lawful nor chaotic, the Followers devote themselves to bettering the wasteland. However, they're not above using violence to achieve their ends, if need be. Arcade Gannon, a prominent Follower, is of the belief that some people simply need to die if progress if ever going to be achieved.

The Fiends - Chaotic Evil - The quintessential raider tribe. Drug-addled and unpredictable, the Fiends have no qualms with killing whoever stands between them and their next fix. The Fiends ultimate objective is pure, carnal satisfaction. Their lack of any known objective besides causing general mayhem prevents them from being any other alignment.

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There are, of course, other factions - such as The Strip, or Freeside. However, these factions vary so much that they can't really be said to subscribe to any alignment at all. Can one really say that Old Ben and Gloria van Graff share any sort of common goal whatsoever, besides survival?

let me rephrase that, he hung people and sent them to their deaths most (maybe all) were innocent because of a witch hunt terrorizing people to not trust anyone. Sounds like torture to me.

Time for lock...