Everytime I tried to work with him it was shot down by something he said, And I ended up working for someone else. (Or myself.)

And when I look at places in the casinos, Some people (The Omertas mainly) make feel as if House is like a loan shark.

At first it was offputting, but in terms of story, I'd understand Houses sense of superiority, I mean, he graduates from a prestigious college at 22, he founds a multibillion dollar company at 22 and continues to run it into his late 40s/early 50s. THEN he essentially saves Vegas single handely from 77 atomic warheads. I'd be a little overproud of my accomplishments too xD

But, hes a 200 year old monster. Thats why i dont work for him.

Maybe I just hav'nt stuck with him long enough.

Biased? Moi? Never!
NCR is... Well... Mixed.
If we're just going about ideals and goals then I'd say that NCR sort of has the right idea but they fail to support it.
They aren't all "bad people".
But their government is collapsing over it's own weight.

And honestly, all we've seen of Legion is their army.
We haven't seen any Legion towns or villages or how they actually treat their slaves at those places.
So to say that they are instantly "bad people" just cause of what their army is doing to reach their goal wouldn't be fair.
So if we go solely on what their army is doing then yes, they are most certainly less moral people, but evil is a matter of perspective.

And from what I've seen:
House isn't an "evil" person really.
Greedy, sure, but not evil.

NCR isn't completely "evil" either.
What their leaders are doing is wrong.
But the people and soldiers of the Republic are decent citizens.

And Legion aren't evil either.
They have less morals, sure, but their culture is something they've adapted to consider "normal".
Can't blame them for that.
In our present time world there are still tribes which have completely unique cultures.
If we were to compare theirs to ours then we would think they were bat[censored] crazy.
That same thing goes for Legion.
We all live in the real world where most of the time things are just gosh darn peachy.
So I think it's hard for a lot of people to accept that Legion has a different culture and instead just categorizes them as evil without a second thought.
But still, I will refuse to call them good or evil until I've seen one of their cities in either a DLC or a new game.
It's not fair to judge their group solely on their army. (Remember that a lot of armies in our world, present and past, have not always been filled with good people)

(Am I still on-topic?)

But yeah I do think that if Caesars don't teach one who is close to him which he trusts to keep up what he did then I think Legion would fall if Caesar died.
Caesar needs a trainee of some sort.
Or heck, make a bible.
But if he doesn't do that then yeah I think that if he died too early then Legion would fall apart.
(See I'm not biased but I still hold Legion as the best hope for mankind)

Caesar is an in denial tyrannic terminal cancer patient. Your point? :stare:

Well, Gen. Oliver is a chicken[censored] as is the President of the NCR. :shrug:

I can heal Caesar's Cancer, House is stuck with being ugly.
If he ''somehow'' walked out into the Vegas strip to meet his people nobody would follow him.
They would laugh and realise hes not some powerful overload.
Now Caesar is a charismatic intelligent strong man and he meets his people...sometimes.

Not really charismatic, More of bat[censored] scary..

Hiding in his tent crying about his headaches is considered meeting his people? :spotted owl:

Well, he isn't an idiot like President Kimball.
Going to the Dam to give a speech while The Fort is just like 700 meters away...
Serves him right to get assassinated. >:D

The legion buys ordinary people, kidnaps and enslaves them. I'm sure boone's wife wasn't the first. Who would trust people like that protecting you? At least the real caesar proved himself as a great tactician, warrior and shrewd politician. What does this apocolyptic fake caesar have under his belt? He didn't win any major wars besides subduing a bunch of small tribes and enslaving most of them

Where was it stated the tribes were small?

Give me an example before you go and say that.

Kimball is a blowhard who got lucky with the discovery of Hoover Dam.

Actually, Caesar himself states that NCR is the first major opposition that he's encountered.

You just described the Legion. Besides, safety is an illusion. Look at the way the Germanic tribes, a group of barbarians in loin cloths, beat back the original Roman Empire.

People are easily corrupted, weak, selfish, ungrateful, and scared of anything powerful and/or intelligent. At least the NCR and Mr. House aren't afraid of actually making foward progress with society instead of trying to plunge post-war America into another Dark Age of death and superstition.

NCR-
The good: Democracy that brings rule of law to the Wastes.
The bad: They don't do things in the Mojave out of the goodness of their hearts. They do what benefits the NCR, and probably what benefits their original hometown.
The ugly: Aren't above the ruthless massacre of innocents if push comes to shove.

Caesar's Legion-
The good: Brings rule of law to the Wastes through brute strength and force.
The bad: Don't believe in human rights of any kind, and are wholly willing to raid, pillage, enslave and murder those who aren't with them.
The ugly: Definitely not above the ruthless massacre of innocents, and seem to utilize it as a primary tactic to instill fear and force cooperation.

House & The Families-
The good: Seek an independent New Vegas and a return to it's Pre-War glory.
The bad: Aren't in it for the benefit of the people, but rather for the benefit of their own pockets.
The ugly: While independent, the people of the area are neglected and often taken advantage of.

Brotherhood of Steel-
The good: Wish to bring order to the Wastes.
The bad: Tend not to work well with others and are very selective. Aren't likely to be a democracy, and probably would be run like a serfdom?
The ugly: Don't wish to share technology with others and are willing to use force to take it for themselves.

The Followers of the Apocalypse-
The good: Provide (presumably) free care for the poor and hungry folks of the Mojave.
The bad: Because of their high ideals, it's a bit tough for them to get along with the other factions. Plus their MO probably isn't feasible in the long run.
The ugly: None that I can think of, really.

Boomers-
The good: Seem like genuinely nice folks.
The bad: Have closed themselves off from the outside world and don't trust others. Have a somewhat unhealthy and dangerous obsession with all things explosive.
The ugly: Their stated goal, is to purify the Wastes by bombing Savages with high ordinance. But note that Savages here meaning EVERYBODY WHO ISN'T A BOOMER.

Great Khans-
The good: Not really known, but for what it's worth, they are oppressed folk.
The bad: Due to conflicts with the NCR, they've resorted to sabotaging NCR's hold in the region, and are willing to deal drugs/chems to the Fiends and the like.
The ugly: Not really known.

The Kings-
The good: Dedicated to independence for Freeside. Seem to be willing to maintain law and order within the area (to an extent) and work well with the FoA.
The bad: Not to keen on accepting NCR folks moving into their area, even if they're just looking for a place to live.
The ugly: Not really known.

The Merchants (Crimson Caravan, Van Graffs, Gun Runners)-
The good: Move goods and provide an economy for the region.
The bad: They're business folks, so their profit comes first.
The ugly: Some aren't above killing off their competition, or taking advantage of the folks of the Mojave.

The Super-Mutants:
The good: Many seem willing to live side by side with humans.
The bad: Many do not. Many of the Nightkin are also bat[censored] insane.
The ugly: They're big, mean and carry large weapons?

Ghouls:
The good: Many seem to be willing to co-exist with humans.
The bad: Many despise humans, partly due to the discrimination they face.
The ugly: They can go feral and then they're no fun to be around.

The Raiders (Fiends, Powder Gangers, Vipers, Jackals, etc)-
The good: None.
The bad: They're criminals.
The ugly: Some of them are crazed chem addicts.

Note that these are all based off of their base intentions, before the Courier influences them.

BOS
The good: Wait what? If you mean East Coast BOS then yes but if you mean west coast or mid-western then you got the facts wrong.

Khans
The bad: they only deal with drugs because that's the only way they can make a living due to NCR forcing them to move into RRC which isn't really the best place for farming and stuff.
The ugly: They have a very dark past

The Kings
The bad: I don't remember the quest fully but they only treat NCR that way cause of a mix-up, if you follow through on the quest then they will change their attitude towards NCR citizens.

Fixed.

Bravo edr, if there was an approval button for a post, I'd click it. Instead, have a goldfish.

-stealthily knocks gabriel out and puts him in a little baggy with water like a carnival fish- :whistling:

Except the Legion which is just as bad as everything they protect you from.

BoS-
Wasn't sure about the BoS, though one would feel that they would still wish to bring law and order as the other factions of their order tend to do.

Khans-
True. It's the only 'bad' thing that they do that I could think of.

Kings-
Yes, it's due to a misunderstanding, but like I said in my post, I put up the good, bad and ugly for each group BEFORE they meet the Courier. Depending on the path you take, you can forge a truce between many of the groups, while wiping others off the face of the Earth. That would change their standings significantly, I feel.

Ah, got it.

Hm, Well that does'nt mean they were'nt big.

Maybe they just did'nt have combat experience.

The Legion bringing 'the rule of Law' to the wastes is only good if their subjects are actually better off under that rule then they would have been without it. I've seen no evidence that anyone anywhere actually benefits from being a Legion subject except perhaps Legion soldiers. The people were getting by, and some even thriving, in the "lawless" wastes before the arrival of the Legion. While it is obvious that what passes for Legion 'order' is more brutal and oppressive than the alternatives, what makes anyone think it makes it's subjects any better off than they would be under the NCR or independent? Sorry, I see no good at all with the Legion because the cost of their 'law and order' comes at the expense of other superior options for achieving the same.