Exactly why I didn't answer his question Press Z. No matter what you would have posted Drake Malice would have not accepted it, and then the debate with him continues. I've seen him do this on many threads lately. Best just to let that go.

I know there is more in the DLC and I know I can play the 'Good Guys' (I assume, unless they end up like the Silver Hand and somehow become the 'Bad Guys'. Haven't figured that one out yet) by joining the Dawnguard. I also know for certain that I will play an evil character (or reload my prior assassin) and play the Vamp side for fun. But I could never honestly see my Dunmer Assassin Vampire completing the Main Quest and saving the would. That would just be ... well out of character.

I agree with this. Skyrim is missing a lot of holy warrior type of stuff.. I mean.. For me, all Beth needs to do is add Chrysamere then I'll be like the happiest holy warrior ever, lol.

Please, anything but the Goblin Warlord!!!

On a serious note, nah, I prefer my current character to hunt the bloodsvckers down.

Novalee, hello there.


Well put. I am now fully persuaded Betehsda pays close attention to these forums. Even if both Todd and Matt hadn't acknowledged it, both the Game Jam and Dawnguard appear to be direct responses to forum hue-and-cry, so to speak. That's why I will kepp raising my voice just to let Beth know, hey, it's alright you gave us vampires this time. I'm cool with that. Just don't strike that vein too often and give the rest of us something fresh, exciting, well thought out. There is now abundant compelling evidence crtiticism is listened too, not matter how many amongst us brand it "complaining" or "hating".

I find the idea of vampire lore being 'butchered' to be hysterically funny when Vampires have had a skill set and temperament that's less constant than pre-crisis Superman over the century since Bram Stoker first put pen to page, and vampire literature and media can be summed up as 'popular or well-written, pick one' for the entirety of its existence.

You aren't saving the world for sunshines and rainbows. You're saving it so you can rule it.

no it isnt, it is a rip-off of a better story that replaces the creatures with typos. Those are Pixies and Shapeshifters not Vampires and Werewolves. Being an ancient pedophile that sparkles is NOT a good story. Teenage girls are just svckers for glitter

Eh. I jsut like the book cause of the romance idea of it.. I would prefer if it is rewritten with OUR view of what a Vampire is..And the Werewolves are acceptable for me... Their form isn't fully correct but at least it is still a wolf.

I have to agree with that. Every time I see a new movie with vamps in it I catch myself saying "Vampires Can't Do That!". Then I catch my breath, acknowledge the major rule changes, and move on. At least in the past TES vampires have been more 'traditional' in nature.

I'm just quoting other people. Most Vampiric Fans said the book butchered it for them and I wouldn't be surprise if it did but just for them.. Not for every single fan.

^{I'm happy for chance to kill all the Vampires!}

If it were the correct variant of vampire that single-expression chick would have been drained 3 minutes into the story and all the muscle-heads would be locked in the pound

Yup, me too. I look forward to the Dawnguard side of the MQ. That said though, I wouldn't buy a second DLC with a similar theme, and that's what I meant when I said it's important to listen to negative comments as well. Most people will buy this dlc no matter what, because it's the first, and because it's completely up to them whether they want to be the good guy or the bad guy. Not to mention that there is other content as well. A second DLC about vampires or something too similar would likely not be so well received however, because it would get repetitive.

The vampire fans are happy now, but it's important that Beth do not keep catering to the same small group of fans who are into vamps and werewolfs. These fans seem to be the most vocal about their likes and dislikes, but I'm sure the vast majority of the Elder Scrolls fans do not post at all, be it here on the forums or elsewhere.

Wish they had expanded on the Dwarfs before they expanded on vampires but aww well I'm still excited

True, vampiric abilities have fluctuated quite a lot over the years, and I'm fine with people changing things up when they create new universes. However, I can't help but cringe when I hear Stephanie Meyer talk about how she didn't do any research about the subject matter before writing her stories.

That's not being creative, it's being asinine.

Also, the "romance" angles of Twilight are really messed up lessons to teach impressionable women. Your boyfriend broke up with you? Put yourself in danger so you can feel closer to him. And that's just scratching the surface.

On topic though, I'm looking forward to the new DLC, and playing a Vampire Lord, which surprised me because I hated the idea initially. I'm just hoping we can use the bat dodge in human form too.

This I agree with.

Not all Vampires are evil.. Look at Angel and Spike (Kinda for Spike. He didn't became good until 5th Season)

Angel has a Soul, Spike gets a soul...or gets dead and re-unlifed...or some such nonsense. The point is that Vampires ARE naturally evil with exceptions requiring "Divine Intervention" kind of circumstances. Rayne=Half-Vamp, Blade=Half-Vamp, Angel=Soul

Dracula, Deacon Frost, Marmie noir, Armand, Lestat, etc.

All evil by many accounts, but yet so much more interesting than the wooden people hunting them.

Predatory animals kill...end of story

Not all that interested in being one, but definitely enjoy the possibility of hunting them. The Order of the Virtuous Blood in Oblivion was one of my favorite mini-factions.

And the same can happen to Edward, and his family. No? And yes, Vampires are naturally evil. I already made that point in this thread.. I think. Might be another. But that still doesn't mean there are no good vampires.

No, Eddy Wanna-svck is not special. he is just a pedophile preying on High Schoolers. Only unique Vamps can be good through unique circumstance

That's what many of these detractors fail to take into account. They are the only predators that Humanity has. Of course they're going to seem evil.

Vampires are predators. To try to hold them to a Human morality system/values is like hating a wolf because it doesn't think like a sheep.

Any human-seeming emotions that a Vampire may have is simply a ruse. It is to disguise their presence whilst walking amongst their prey, stalking the Humans. It is after all, much easier to catch prey if they have no idea that a predator is around.

I don't feel sorry for my hamburger, Vampires don't feel sorry for the Humans. It's the way a predator/prey relationship works.

Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't there a vampire in almost every elder scroll game so it not like they just decided to throw vampires in and I'm pretty sure that elder scrolls give you a choice to be a hero or a villain so you can't really say its mainly about being a hero