There needs to be a limit on how strong a weapon can become. Being able to one shot anything with a freaking dagger is just stupid. Where's the challenge of finding the next best weapon and armor? That's what makes a game fun to explore to search for legendary powerful weapons that are suited for dragons and such.

It's ridiculous how I can have a dagger more powerful than a standard Ebony Warhammer. It's unrealistic and ruins the immersion.

If we're talking from behind, that makes sense. I see where you're coming from if you mean in a straight up fight, unless you're talking about Mehrune's Razor.

The problem is the multiplier in damage, combined with nearly all enemies having under 120 armor rating. Dragons and most non humans have 0 armor rating. Also, the cheesiness of shadow warrior is bad as well.

Someone soon is going to tell you that it's your own fault and you should only use Iron Daggers...

You mean that sneaking up behind someone and slitting their throat is unrealistic? I think not. It was meant to be an instant kill. and that is exactly what it is.

A daggers damage is extremely low so why would you use it other than as a stealth/assasin type character. And sorry, if you don't like it you don't have to use it, hundreds of other weapons to choose from you know. And also, when sneaking up from behind a lot of the times for me it does the neck cutting animation so it makes sense from that point. :/

What's the point of getting other weapons in the game knowing that I can just upgrade my dagger and beat the game with a single dagger?

Yea because slitting a dragons throat is realistic.

Beacuse it's a choice in playstyle. You don't have to use a dagger, you can always choose to use something else.

Hmmm... never knew by swiping at their tail I would be slashing at a dragon's throat...


Yes, I know. That's not going to stop people from saying you are "doing it wrong" and should stop complaining because you either a. don't have to upgrade your weapons or b. not level Sneak/get perks.

do you mean from stealth kills, or from crafting exploit? Stealth hits make sense, and with exploits all weapons will do insane damage. As for stealth slaying a dragon....maybe some vital organ is stored in their ass bone you just stabbed?

You don't even have to do that. If you have shadow warrior, you can sneak in front of someone's face, teleport behind their back and slit their throat even if you were already detected.

Thats because that's what the perk is supposed to do. Don't take the perk if you dont wanna be a shadow warrior.

Just the response I expected.

You guys are right. The game is broken. In fact, why even continue to play if it is such a painful experience. I'm glad that some still like to play games.

I don't think you can slit a dragons throat.
You can get the sneak multiplier,but rarely if ever is it enough to out right kill a dragon.

No it's not. It doesn't match the description of the perk at all.

Heh, I bring this up often in certain circles, but it keeps getting shrugged off.

I personally think that combat in the game is not well-tested in later levels and the exponential damage games you get needs to be SERIOUSLY curved. Yet, it appears the community at large seems to think this is all fine and dandy and normal, and that the bigger problem is that destruction magic is "broken." I've played pure mage characters, and I found the intensity and difficulty with magic to be exactly what you should expect with the difficulty cracked up to Expert. I don't seen the broken magic, all I see is people who have gotten used to one-shotting things with daggers whining about how you can't one-shot things with a fireball.

I've suggested ideas for fixing some of these perceived problems and it seems that largely those ideas upset people. Things like putting a soft cap on the exploits (Oh NOES! If I can't level to 1000 or make a weapon with +1000% effeciency, what will I ever do!?) and slowing down leveling to compensate, lowering base weapon damage, redoing the perk trees so you don't get so much bloody percentage stacking (people don't realize what a big deal "20 percent" actually is when your base damage is ALSO scaling upwards, nevermind 80 or 100 percent), and rescaling leveled damage.

Meh.

/rant ;P


I feel your pain, OP. Unfortunately, I don't have a solution for you without a good mod that takes the teeth out of combat and scales it back down to the rest of the game. It's lame to say, "use a different playstyle", but that's really all we're looking at in terms of fixing the one-shotting issue.

I don't get your point. If you want to be an assasin that powerful, more power to you. That is my character right now, a thief/assain searching for a means of immortality and with these "ridiculous" perks and playstyle I'm having a lot of fun, more than I did when I just ran in with no plan.

How are you one shotting everything? I assume you have smithing leveled, in which case it's most likely not a surprise because all three of the craft skills are ridiculously OP.

I don't see anything wrong with a dual wield backstab 30x damage

that's in total 60x damage from dual wield

sneaking up on dragons and 1 hitting them? no problem

>Brings up realism angle
>Gets defensive when realism is used as a counter

The point is that it's ridiculous, and obviously untested/unbalanced mechanics. That's not even taking into account that you don't even need much more than a low end dagger to one shot anything by stacking on up to 30x backstab, and being an orc, thus doubling it to 60x, plus dual wielding and potions.

so you want to have to use a giant hammer to slay dragons only? Its a game, in games the dagger does damage, if x gets damaged to much it dies. Sometimes dragons are x, in which case the dagger can/will do enough damage to slay it. The sneak bonuses are there as an incentive to use daggers instead of swords for stealth characters,

If it's ridiculous, don't use it. As for the realistic side, yes, it doesn't make a lot of sense but for the love of Talos, it's just a game.

Yes, I understand that. It's more of the fact that Dragons have 0 Armor and the fact that, with the right build, Daggers can smoke through anything because of the 30x multiplier.

Which, if I remember right, no other weapon can get close to that amount of damage because of the 30x damage.