Whether daggers and sneaking is overpowered is irrelevant really in my opinion. The larger issue is that the AI apparently has been drinking Stupid Juice for the last twenty years. The AI (and combat to a certain extent) could use massive overhauls to be more challenging and more rewarding.

Increasing armor rating, having the enemies have access to perks, implementing dodging, and making the enemies more intelligent and employ a variety of tactics would make things a lot more fun in the long run.

Sneaking is fun, and I don't want it to go away or be made useless, but I would love to sneak up on someone and get ready for a killing strike only to find myself being attacked by an enemy that had snuck up on me.


All your ad hominem tactics are really making it hard to side with you.

I think he means you are a troll because you look like one hahahaha. I am sorry I had to say it.

On topic: I like daggers getting that sneak bonus, but it can be overkill sometimes. However I like it because if I walk up behind someone and slit their throat I expect them to be dead.

I am doing no such thing. I've been arguing my point, you've been disagreeing. We are "discussing" this matter of contention. Unless of course, you are one of those people who freely label others as trolls for the mere act of having a different opinion. If you stop replying to me, I'll stop replying in return. It's as simple as that.

Don't do it then.

You do not make good points though, you use enough Strawman Arguments that i am surprised you dont constantly sing "If i only had a brain". You belittle your own cause by making outrageous examples that are non-existent just because the existing facts dont SUPPORT your reasoning

I think it's about time for a thread lock.

Mod?

200 post limit.
Can we lock this now please?

Arguments like this have been going on since release...and people, for the most part, won't or can't change.

And Skyrim ain't changing either.

Seriously. You've entered Pot calling the Kettle black territory here. He made one strawman argument, and you've resorted to insulting him on a personal level constantly from then on. You're not supporting your argument either, you're insulting someone from disagreeing with you. Not the same thing at all.

Whoa whoa okay Riddler lets not confuse people... I think you should stay out of it.

No i am defending something that i believe in and has no reason to be changed. Trolls cannot be reasoned with and so i stopped trying to peacefully "reason" a while back

And i did not start the insulting to further my point but for 2 reasons:
1. When someone constantly repeats the same idiocy that has been put down it gets frustrating
2. My internet kept resetting and it irritated me quite extensively, causing me to lose my cool

I've never met an overpowered dagger that could one-hit someone without sneaking.
I've got dual Daedric daggers that are smithed and enchanted to their max without glitching
and they certainly don't one-hit kill anyone who sees me coming.

That's like saying I can't complain about Destruction magic being utterly broken and being atrociously designed. Sure I'm not required to use it, but I WANT to use it, but I'm not going to use it if it isn't viable. These people are arguing the opposite for Sneaking.

i am not sure i understand your reasoning... You can put 2 perk points int sneak and be semi-decent without being friggin Altair if that is what everyone wishes but they want the part that every assassin wants to keep removed or dumbed down

It's the opposite side of the coin. With Destruction even if you sink perks into every perk you are still hyper limited in terms of your build's viability, while you need only put a handful of perks into Sneak to become god.

I don't think anyone would argue against humans being one shotted by sneak attacks, but I do find it odd that you can get the drop on dragons that aren't sleeping. They seem to have powerful senses, even knowing your Dragonborn before you do or tell them, so they should be much harder to sneak up on.

Nobody's arguing for Sneak to become useless, but a little balancing wouldn't be unwarranted.

The balance is already there. Don't max sneak...or don't perk it at all.
What would you do? How would you balance it differently where players who want to sneak and on-shot a dragon could do it...while someone like you who doesn't want to couldn't.

I mean dude...it's already something in the game mechanics...but how would you do it differently where everyone could have whatever type character they wanted.

Not sure what's skills and perks need to be at to do this one shot kill everything.

But I'm guessing your sneak skill needs to be kinda high, and you need to have used a few other perks to get the perk to do this.

Sounds kinda like a reward for the time spent leveling up those skills.

I personal think that one block perk is overpowered, the one where you can disarm people, but you know, its also lots of fun to disarm a deathlord with a sheild bash, not to tuff after that. Do I do it to every enemy, no the game would be to easy, but its a good reward for getting ur block skill up

Bethesda has given you 6 levels of Sneak for instance. You don't need to take them all if you don't want that type of character. You can create 3 different characters, with 3 varied levels of sneak, and have 3 different experiences when it comes to dungeon crawling, dragon slaying, and assassinating targets.

"Back in the day", when playing tabletop D&D, some people didn;t think they could have an effective fighter unless the rolled a 20 for strength. They didn't realize that it was possible to play with a STR of 14...it was just "different".

And that's okay.

Maxing skills is a MMO habit...and it's not necessary in a single player game. So don't do it if you don't want to be maxed.

Exactly. Classically the "assassin" class in RPGs has always been high-damage, low defense. The focus is entirely on DPS, sacrificing a whole lot of other skills. Obviously if you exploit the mechanics of the game to have your already uber powerful, tank-armored warrior use the 30x damage you're going to get bored. That's not to say the combat in the game isn't broken. It totally is. But still—this is a role-playing game and there are roles. You're of course free to play it any way you want, but don't whine about how easy things are when you've done it to yourself. Just up the difficulty or roll a new character. Or add mods if you're on PC.

200+ posts, time to close this.