Ditto, I won't kill him either.
Though now I can't bring a new person to D.
Oh well, I'm more on the dragon/greybeard's side anyway.

Also finished the MQ, so WHY are there still dragons attacking me?
Shouldn't they all LOVE me and acknowledge me as their new leader?

Yeah, the part where they force you to do their bidding is the bugger. Oh, and when they take credit of "pointing you at the right direction". Riiiiight...

ya that pretty much broke it right there for me, thought it was funny that delphie said "we' took care of that dragon when all she did was crouch with her head between her knees during the fight...
the blades coulda been sooooooooo [censored]ign awesome in this game, just thinking of a grp of blades that were underneath ya...THEN i could understand grabbign followers and making them inot my own Blades because i eman they gonna follow andprotecty me anyways. Just argh...i can only pray that the Blades can somehow be fixed by a genious with modding when the Ck comes out.

Most likely, this guy got it right when translating the name:

And one pull the Hilter card. Problem here is we are talking about Paarthurnax, not Mehrunes Dagon. If it were Mehrunes Dagon, the whole story/choice/anything would change right off the bat. In other words, we are not playing the same game.

Naw, that just being petty, not honor. Ya assuming that along the line that someone would turn evil. So basically, I end up killing everyone because ya know, they might turn to bandits or some other horrible monstrosity.

Beside, the current population are doing a super job of killing dragons, seeing they have magic, power, and an army to fight these dragon so it pretty stupid if the dragon want war. I got good faith that Paarthurnax would not turn against the human if he didn't do all the waiting game, the monkhood for Greybeards, or stopping the world from being eaten twice.

pretty much, also helping defeat and destroy his bro, hes pretty much preventing the possibility of being reserected ever again, seeing how just town guards are doign a pretty good at slayign dragons and ol'Paar is in the same position.

How about his name means he was a Cruel Overlord who ruled alongside his brother and was Ambitious to take Alduin's place.

Except the name is rather ambiguous rather then actual, hence why I posted a positive side to the name. What the old dragon is doing right now basically following what his name said, but to our side of the coin. This can also applies to all the spheres of the Daedra Lords and the Divines, each with good and bad side to each of these deities.

good concept, the name could be taken either way depending on which side ur taking......good thinking there.

Wow, you must not be very far into the story. I used that sword at 1st, but not long after I found MANY better swords and even daggers that are better.
Not a good reason to kill a 'friend' lol

Petty eh? ...Look dude. Save it.

I never said i would kill everyone because i think they will turn evil. Im pretty blunt.

Anyways..

If some child killer spent the last few years saving children he STILL must pay for his crime.

Petty... Petty is letting things slide for no reason.

Parthunax didn't just make a boo boo. He slaughtered millions of people.. People that inlcude children.

So im killing him for them... The millions of dead people. Not the blades.

After hearing the way some of the children in this game talk, I don't blame him...

"Another wanderer, here to lick my father's boots. Good Job." You telling me that doesn't make you want to Fus Ro Dah that little bastard off the Back Porch of Dragonsreach?

That is assuming, of course, that "nice guy" = saved the world twice, gave the Voice to humanity, and is working on a lasting Way to pacify the other dragons that has worked for him to subdue his nature over the last 1000 years. Not a typical defendant I'd say .

With my main playthrough on my Lawful Good Paladin of Stendarr, I struggled with this particular decision for a while but eventually chose to spare Paarthurnax. What the Blades want is not justice, it's vengeance against a reformed being who has done much to atone for his crimes. Before Paarthurnax's change to the side of humanity, there were no dragons who supported man, it simply wasn't an option. He knows his kind has a propensity for evil but has successfully fought his nature for 1000 years and wants to teach the Way of the Voice to other dragons. It's worked for him thus far, and I believe he deserves a chance to change the remnants of his people for the better.

I respect the Blades for their storied history and service to the Empire and other Dragonborn, but they are wrong in this and I won't kill P for them until he actually shows signs of having reverted to his old nature. It's a shame the Blades have refused to cooperate with me due to this, there are indeed dragons left that embrace evil and must be stopped, but I'll do it all myself if I can do the same with more work while giving those desiring of peace a chance to coexist with mortals.

In the end this was a Hammurabian "justice" vs. the possibility of redemption, atonement, and forgiveness. As a Paladin of Stendarr, the Aedra of Mercy and Forgiveness, I knew which decision to make.

again, even though i dotn agree with his/her dicision the mask did say they did it from a RP perpective so in the words of the great Peter Griffin.."while i do not agree with what u say, i will defend ur right to say it to the death"

Well except now this is murder, seeing ya did the first strike and for a stupid reason at it.

That said, ya being hasty that Paarthurnax is a child killer. Such generalization lead to bad fallacy. And bad fallacy mean ya kill because ya say he is bad.

And beside, we don't actually know what the heck happen when the dragon rule over man. Hell, for all we know, the one Paarthurnax kill are the one that are at war and not some villages in the middle of nowhere. The "Blades" that we met aren't really the best legitimate source for this. If anything, http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:The_Dragon_War is likely one of the best source of the past for this.

He killed millions... I killed the killer. Its not murder its my job..

Besides you are talking about my Role played characters choice.

I've got an evil Character that kills everyone and everything. I like to hang out with Parthunax and say" This plan of yours is truly evil" MuahahhaAaa.




And i always strike 1st with my Barb... Its like his thing.

And again, there really no way of knowing if he even have that kill count, or the fact it can all be from the war against his brother. And again, ya did have the first strike, so technically its murder. Just saying.

If Parth is all that bad, what about Ohdaviing? He was recently resurrected, so he must have killed people before you get him to help you. Why don't the blades ask you to kill him? After you get to Skuldafin you don't need him any more, so why not kill him like Parth?

Because Dalphine don't know about Odahviing? The moment she sees him, I bet she'll make another ultimatum: "Oh good, Paar is dead, but now this guy should too, or kiss my middle finger"

In the end it's really quite simple. Delphine and Esbern are a bunch of cranky seniors.
If you want to hang out with them, then you'll have to destroy things like dragons, rock music and tall flights of stairs.
Regardless of how cool those things are.

But she knows that you have another friendly dragon because she talks about how you rode out of Whiterun on the dragon's back.

For all the moral dilemma, I resolved to spare Paarthurnax for a different reason: Because nature abhors a vaccum.

Once you kill Alduin, you have a "And Then What?" dilemma. With Paarthurnax, there exists the possibility for dragons to walk a different path than the urge to dominate others, to instead dominate themselves.

Without Paarthurnax? Well, there's not an ounce of that sentiment anywhere else amongst the Dragons. Power struggles, rampaging dragons, Odahviing (who quite explicitly states he does not care for Paarthurnax's philosophies one bit) taking control and starting the whole dragon crisis all over.

I spared Paarthurnax for practicality and probability reasons. With Paarthurnax, lesser number of malignant dragons flying about. Without? More.

This thread keeps getting interesting. It's definitely better than the Civil War talk.

One thing, I don't understand why people think Esbern and Delphine are poor, senile examples of Blades. Is that just bias against their age? They're pretty damn resilient imo. Esbern probably would smoke a ton of old school Blades. He's a conjurer and spellsword. Probably the easiest class in-game Delphine seems pretty confident she can even take you down at first, which is part arrogance, but it does show she has some skill. She's probably killed more Thalmor than Ulfric has at least.

I don't like the current crop of blades any more than I liked their predecessors in Oblivion. Useless gits.

So do people hate Obi-Wan as much? He's an old geezer who kept insisting to Luke that Vader should be killed. Like Esbern, he was sort in an order on it's last legs. Luke, being the sensitive idealist, had to go out of his way to prove him wrong, but that doesn't make Kenobi bad, for just having a mind for justice. It's just means that Luke is pretty abnormal and goes 2 or 3 extra miles to look out for everyone. Hardly anyone is like him though. Except, maybe Jesus and Buddha.

Personally, I don't like idealism. It always ends up being the standard of what seperates "good" and "bad". It clouds all nuance to issues. Always very heavy handed of what's truly "good" or not.

Obi-wan isn't anything I have in a game I play (I REALLY dislike the SW universe games....) In a movie, he's fine. I don't play games with him (or others like him) bothering me.

However, it's not the age of the current "crop" to which I object: I am, after all, going on 65 myself. I object to the repeated idiocy of a group of "bodyguards" who couldn't manage to keep the Emperor alive (in Oblivion); and who, in Skyrim, have been searching for the Dragonborn - but expect said Dragonborn to snap to and follow orders.

Needless to say I presume is that on my only full play-through of the MQ, I did NOT kill Paarthurnax. Too bad I couldn't have managed to let Alduin have the "blades" before finishing him.