It's not my fault that I like Skyrim that much that I'm desperate! Besides, i want to experience a bit of every world, both PS3 and XBOX 360. Both are great consoles.
And why would they pay attention to me? It's not like I'm paying a million $ just for the PS3, right?

Most people on here seem to think one person buying the game at this point will give bethesda a huge paycheck.

No, it is the mentality of throwing good money after bad.

Feeling a bit better now that we know that the patch is coming along nicely. Hopefully it will FUS DO RAH the lag

You can not download patches for PS3 outside of PSN, so afaik you have to connect the PS3 to get the patch.

I'm guessing your ISP requires a MAC address to give you access, you could fix this with a cheap router and MAC address cloning.

Probably not, but I think we can guess that the amount of effort is going to drop off precipitously after this. There may be some that comes with DLC, but I think we are halfway to the end of support for the core game at any rate.

Maybe I am wrong, but when has bethesda bothered to support a game past 6 months?

They are probably NEVER going to actually fix the [censored] interface they pooped out..

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I'm curios too, was it JUST the PS3 where mannequins weren't working?

This game is in such a bad shape on PS3, i wish they could send the patch to sony NOW to get it certified so i can actually play.. So whats hold it up anyway? beth testing it themselves?

No mention of arrows or nirnroot clean ups either...

Yep. Personally, I'd like them to spend as much time as possible testing this patch so that we don't end up with a repeat of 1.2.

http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1335957-hello-gstaff-only-one-question/page__view__findpost__p__20113796

So this means its fixed completely?

I also want to know, will autosave work again?

I'm sorry, you're wrong. There's nothing wrong with discussing other games in context to Skyrim. You can read most of my posts- I do exactly that.
If it was a problem I would have received a warning a long, long time ago. And I don't even have my posts removed either. So that is incorrect.
Read the forum rules. I did. There's nothing in there about cross-game discussion as long as it holds relevance to the subject, which mine did.

As for your two "points" they don't necessarily disagree with mine? In fact, it seems like the second agrees with my point. I'm not sure if you
read my post correctly, but you should give it a deeper look if you haven't.

Also, while Skyrim is somewhat of a big game (it's actually smaller in size to previous TES games, look up the number of unique dungeons alone)
I was simply using Dark Souls as an example of what a game company USUALLY says when they patch the game. They aren't the same game,
but in terms of complexity- they both don't hit too far off the mark. One game is super streamlined but big and the other is vast and deep but short.

No, it means that "Long term play optimizations for memory and performance" is referring to the lag.

sorry, should have wrapped that in \[sarcasm\] tags...

Yup, and we will only find out through playing on if it's a full blown fix or that the framerate goalposts have been moved a bit further back.

The list of points addressed is pretty good though, yes not everything but it's all down to the prioritisation of the flaws.

I think the list looks long, but if you think about all the problems you and others have and read it again and again you will notice it doesn't mention many of the problems at all. Really we are still a ways away from a patch that fixes enough stuff for me to personally consider the game "mostly complete" in my opinion of course...

Edit: fingers crossed.

I don't think mostly complete was ever the target of 1.4, I think basically functional and reasonable stable would be the mark.

Then the fixes like Nirnroot, stuck items etc would get looked at.

I hope they take all the time to test before deployment though, don't need another 1.2.

I reckon that they'll release one more patch before the Pre DLC patch Remember that on top of making DLC and patches, part of their Dev team will be designing Fallout 4.

Personally I think all the little quest tweaks are nice (I have my doubts whether the White Phial fix will help those of us already on the quest--but here's hoping!), but what I really want is stability, stability, stability! My game truly crashes about once an hour now (310 hours in). If I'm travelling outside, I need to exit the game completely and turn off the PS3 about once every half hour or the lag just gets to be too much (which can also eventually lead to a complete FREEZE up). There is a cave I need to enter for a Mage Library quest that just gets stuck on the load screen every time I try to enter (I left it last night and it loaded for nearly 90 minutes before I shut the console down).

So, y'know I feel all you people with your rich man's laundry list of little annoying problems, but I just want a game that I can actually enjoy playing without worrying that every moment it is going to just STOP WORKING.

ETA: Reading that over it sounds more aggressive than I meant. Sorry, but my game had just CRASHED AGAIN right before I came here to check up on the patch.

Here is the thing. Until they fix stuff like persistent forever arrows and additive nirnroot glows, you may as well just avoid playing, no?

I'd like also to see the 'actor doesnt drop weapon' fix applied. (there is a PC mod but idk where it is and im too lazy to search

Anything on the patch related to the Civil quest line? More specifically, being unable to 'Report In', or forts being empty. I've tried both from the Imperial and Stormcloak side, and am unable to proceed, since on both, I don't get the 'Report In' at some point during the 'Liberation/Reunification of Skyrim' quest. When I do get the option, there are no Imperial/Stormcloak soldiers to join, and the fort has no opposing soldiers.

From what I've seen on the wikis, this is a fairly common issue, and none of the mentioned workarounds seem to work for me. I read the patch notes and didn't see anything pertaining this. Did I miss something or am I out of luck?

That's interesting, I find it odd that Bethesda doesn't look at the user-made mods that fixes certain mistakes / bugs, and you know, just applies them to their game.do they feel insulted when someone who didn't work on their game for years (and didn't know the code inside out) comes along and fixes their problems before they do? Do they have some sort of company policy not to use mods? and come up with their own fixes only? I know Notch takes from user-made mods all the time for minecraft.

1 individual making a mod instantly fixing the games timers, and clean up efforts, makes me wonder what Bethesda is doing after 3 patches, and how they've yet to accomplish the same simple and easy fix. Especially if its once again ignored with 1.4. I'm legitimately confused with how they've missed this after 3 patches.
At this point I don't think I'll even be waiting around for 1.4 for Playstation.
PC is the way to go. i've waited more than long enough.

Here is a list of everything (assumed) to not have been addressed in Patch 1.4
This is the exact email I am about to send to Bethesda with my save files.
If you would like to comment or state that you have similar issues with a quest in case they need to see the same bug on different save files, just put "dido for #___ on his save file (#1 or #2)
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Gstaff,

I hope that all the following may be useful in repairing issues with Skyrim; it is already an amazing game and can only get better.
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PS3 Slim- Version 4.00
199 GB / 298 GB
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Save File #1:

Skyrim
1/10/2012 3:11 PM 14MB
Observer
Level 65
Playtime: 243.14.42

Save File #2:

Skyrim
1/20/2012 12:00 AM 15MB
Observer
Level 68
Playtime: 308.58.33
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Save File #1 Quests:

COMPLETED-

*Unbound
*Before the Storm
*The Golden Claw
*Bleak Falls Barrow
*Take Up Arms
*Dragon Rising
*Innocence Lost
*The Way of the Voice
*First Lessons
*In My Time of Need
*Under Saarthal
*Hitting the Books
*Good Intentions
*Unfathomable Depths
*Tzargo's Experiment
*A Chance Arrangement
*Taking Care of Business
*Shalidor's Insights
*The Burglary Job
*The Forsworn Conspiracy
*No One Escapes Cidhna Mine
*Speaking With Silence
*The Only Cure
*The Whispering Door
*The Numbers Job
*The Numbers Job
*The Numbers Job
*The Numbers Job
*The Blessings of Nature
*Hired Muscle
*Proving Honor
*Silenced Tongues
*Joining the Stormcloaks
*Joining the Legion
*The Jagged Crown
*The Break of Dawn
*Message to Whiterun
*Battle for Whiterun
*A False Front
*The Battle for Fort Dunstad
*The Taste of Death
*A Night to Remember
*The Horn of Jurgen Windcaller
*A Blade in the Dark
*The Black Star
*A Daedra's Best Friend
*Hard Answers
*Revealing the Unseen
*Containment
*The Staff of Magnus
*Onmund's Request
*Trouble in Skyrim
*The Silver Hand
*Striking the Heart
*Retrieval
*Blood's Honor
*Purity of Revenge
*Glory of the Dead
*Trouble in Skyrim
*Totems of Hircine
*The Lost Expedition
*Rise in the East
*Animal Extermination
*Lights Out
*Aftershock
*Arniel's Endeavor
*Arniel's Endeavor
*Arniel's Endeavor
*The White Phial
*Tending the Flames
*Arniel's Endeavor
*The Man Who Cried Wolf
*Shalidor's Insights
*The Mind of Madness
*Animal Extermination
*Totems of Hircine
*Animal Extermination
*Totems of Hircine
*The House of Horrors
*Boethiah's Calling
*With Friends Like These
*Sanctuary
*Contract: Kill Narfi
*Contract: Kill Ennodius Papius
*Contract: Kill Beitild
*Mourning Never Comes
*Whispers in the Dark
*Contract: Kill Hern
*Contract: Kill Lurbuk
*The Silence Has Been Broken
*The Pursuit
*Bound Until Death
*Compelling Tribute
*The Battle For Fort Greenwall
*Pieces of the Past
*Trinity Restored
*Blind Sighted
*Darkness Returns
*Breaching Security
*The Cure for Madness
*Contract: Kill Deekus
*Contract: Kill Ma'Randru-Jo
*Contract: Kill Anoriath
*Contract: Kill Agnus
*The Book of Love
*Recipe For Disaster
*Contract: Kill Maluril
*Ill Met By Moonlight
*Contract: Kill Helvard
*Contract: Kill Safia
*To Kill an Empire
*Death Incarnate

OPEN-

*Misssing in Action
*No Stone Unturned
*Blood On The Ice
*Forbidden Legend
*Diplomatic Immunity
*Reunification of Skyrim
*Hail Sithis!

MISCELLANEOUS-

*Talk to the Companion leaders for work
*Report Leifnarr's death to his family
*Kill the bandit leader at Rift Watchtower
*Find 20 Jazbay (10/20)
*Assist the people of Haafingar (5/5)
*Find Pantea's Flute
*Receive a reading from Olava the Feeble
*Find the source or power in Ironbind Barrow
*Discover Svidi's whereabouts
*Locate the Quill of Gemination under Lake Honrich
*Assist the people of Falkreath (1/3)
*Return Runil's Journal to Runil
*Kill the giant located at Secunda's Shelf


Save File #2 Quests:


COMPLETED- (all of "Save File #1 Quests" plus the following)

-starts after first "The Burglary Job"
*Promises to Keep
*Loud and Clear
*Dampened Spirits
*Scoundrel's Folly
*The Burglary Job (go back to list #1)

-after "Staff of Magnus"
*The Eye of Magnus (go back to list #1)

-after "Death Incarnate"
*Hail Sithis!
*Where You Hang Your Enemy's Head
*The Dark Brotherhood Forever
*Rescue From Fort Kastav
*The Battle for Fort Amol
*Blood on the Ice
*Diplomatic Immunity
*A Cornered Rat
*Alduin's Wall
*The Throat of the World
*Missing in Action
*Repairing the Phial
*Elder Knowledge
*A Return to Your Roots
*The Dark Brotherhood Forever
*Discerning the Transmundane
*Alduin's Bane
*The Fallen
*The World Eater's Eyrie
*Sovngarde
*Dragonslayer


OPEN-

*No Stone Unturned
*Forbidden Legend
*Reunification of Skyrim
*The Dark Brotherhood Forever


MISCELLANEOUS-

*Talk to the Companion leaders for work
*Report Leifnarr's death to his family
*Kill the bandit leader at Rift Watchtower
*Find Pantea's Flute
*Locate the Quill of Gemination under Lake Honrich
*Assist the people of Falkreath (2/3)
*Bring a Dragon Scale and a Dragon Bone to Esbern
*Bring one Night Falls on Sentinel to Rustleif
*Find the source of Power in Ragnvald

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BUGS AND THE LIKE-

Save File #1:

1. Start it up and the first one is obvious; there are duplicating NPCs. (this is the only NPC I have noticed)
2. Fast travel to Windhelm, turn 90 degrees right, go up the stairs, take your second left down the stairs and walk through the large door in front of you...SURPRISE! You just reloaded and fell under Windhelm..awesome huh?
3. Fast travel to the Dawnstar Sanctuary, turn 170 degrees to your right. Notice the two dome-like nirnroot glows? (same for every nirnroot and only gets worse if you don't pick it.
4. While you're here and have Shadowmere by the water, take her out to a sallow area where she can swim, dismount and remount. She should run in the water instead of swimming. In this area, from the shoreline, you should notice a lot of texture popping in the water.
5. Ride Shadowmere over to Dawnstar in the shallow water by the boats look at the water. If you angle it just right it appears there are two textures in a large area of the water that are overlapping.
6. A few times I rode over by the smelter in this area and when I dismounted, Shadowmere would teleport across to the other side of the water. (difficult to recreate intentionally)
7. Fast travel to riften and go into Honeyside home. Behind the mannequins there is a very distinct texture issue.
8. Fast travel to Markarth, take a left down the hill to the first bridge on the right. Proceed over the bridge and through the archway. You will see an ashpile that doesn't seem to go away..been there for over 100 hours of gameplay and more than 90 in-game days. (don't know if patch 1.4 will fix this)
9. Fast travel to the College of Winterhold. Find Tolfdir (usually in the hall of Elements at this time) he will tell you to look for his Alembic but I already returned it to him.
10. Go up to the Arcaneum and grab the book "The Legend of Red Eagle"..when read it will activate the quest. (Quest has already been completed multiple times) if you fast travel to open the tomb, you will see that it is open and Red Eagle's Fury is in place. (note that when you leave college of winterhold you should encounter an ancient dragon but none of your allies will fight with you).
11. Quest will not update Pantea's Flute even though it is in my inventory (can't give it to her either)
12. Assist people of Haafingar seems to be stuck at (5/5)...solved later by helping a 6th.
13. Forbidden Legend will not update
14. In my inventory, "Stone of Barenziah" appears multiple times instead of increasing the multiplier
15. I have the Master Trader perk but not all merchants have 1000 extra gold
16. Can't use some of the vertical weapons racks in Solitude and maces, axes, etc hang incorrectly on all plaques. Ebony blade and similar weapons will not mount to any weapons rack.
17. NPC followers will not equip the best items (especially bows) when you give them to them and items often duplicate when you return and ask them to follow again. (this can cause a carry-weight issue after a while. (can we remove the default bow without the "Pickpocket equipped items/weapons perk"?

Save File #2:

1. Obviously Ancient Dragons aren't cleaning up like they are supposed to..issue must not have been completely resolved with 1.3
2. Can cause the game to start lagging by selling a lot of items in Whiterun without leaving. (use the glitch where you can get out of Whiterun and acces the chest under the Skyforge...then wait to restore merchants inventory.
3. When using the lifts from Blackreach..you reload over, and over, and over...can only stop it by pausing or gong to inventory.
4. One of the lifts in Blackreach has a enemy stuck on the switch that continually makes an irritating noise.
5. When you return to Raldbthar you can no longer open the bridge (gears are jammed again and you cannot repair so you cannot open the entrance to blackreach from the market if you didn't during your first visit)
6. Fast travel to Alchemist's Shack, stand at the Alchemy table. Jump over the table and run straight to the wall in front of you. Look 90 degrees to your left and you will see a big gaping area in the rocks.
7. The Drum and the Lute are stuck in my inventory as well as 4 Red Eagle's Fury. If you return to the Forsworn that carries Red Eagle's Fury, when he respawns or when he's dead, he will have another (or multiple). Returning and fighting him is how I got all 4 that are stuck in my inventory (he had all four at once).
8. Fast Travel to Blind Cliff Cave and progress pass the first enemy into the next open area. You will notice that the shadows move with the character instead of being stationary. (Horrible in this location, I probably never would have noticed it anywhere else if it didn't happen here). I believe it is console specific too.
9. I cannot kill Paarthurnax and the blades quest will not update it. At first it showed up in my Misc Quests then it disappeared and is no longer accessible.
10. Floating cursor will not show up for "Locate the Quill of Gemination under Lake Honric"
11. If you attempt "Battle for Windhelm" you will proceed until you reach the castle door. If you wait, the NPCs will not enter the castle and if you enter, they will not follow. You will take a few steps toward Ulfric and stop, your weapons will sheath themselves and the cursor will disappear. You can look around but cannot move. (note: in Prima's Official Strategy guide it states that the Stormcloak Soldiers will not stop coming...that they will come in waves but in my save you can fight until they are all dead).
12. "Kill the bandit leader at Rift Watchtower" will not update as completed
13. "Bring a Dragon Scale and a Dragon Bone to Esbern" will not update as being completed

Random/Rare:

1. Often get stuck in crouch when I move through a door while crouching.
2. When bashing with a shield the shield will often get stuck while fully extended. (cannot fight back and usually die)
3. Shouts are often delayed or do not work (may be related to frame-rate issues)
4. Sometimes when you try to sprint it will react like Whirlwind Sprint at normal sprint speed and no blur effect

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Once again, I hope that all this will assist in improving Skyrim.

Sincerely,
Nick

If the "long term play optimizations for memory and performance" allows me to go up to 20mb with my actual save without encountering major lags within at least 2 hours of gameplay that will be enough for me.

If not i'll just try to get the platinum trophy and put the game aside.

it will be a few weeks. They said they were currently submitting it. Anyone who was on this forum during the 1.2 and 1.3 patches will know what that means...

I dont know if theyre addressing this either (and thanks for the info Observer, now we know what to expect) but i completed the quest to get red eagle's sword. Hours (real time) after i was in a dungeon and was looking at books to see if there were any skill books, when i accidentally picked up "The Legend of Red Eagle" and once again, the quest started under miscellaneous.... Now its gonna stay there because i already completed the quest. IF YOU HAVE DONE THE QUEST NEVER EVER READ THE LEGEND OF RED EAGLE AGAIN

It means they were both submitted over holiday breaks and took longer than usual. Typically Sony certification turnaround is 2-3 business days.