If I hand you a cookie only to slap you in the face as you go to grab it 2 different times, you're probably going to expect to get slapped if you reach for that cookie again.

No one cares what you learned in college. We're well aware that we don't KNOW anything yet, as we're not [censored]...

Edit: "Special"

I would hope one would find a better source for cookies actually.

Well no, that's just not true.. at all, actually. People are posting left and right as though they're certain that the changelog items are meaningless, since, quote, "this is what happened with Fallout 3," end quote. So you're actually about as incorrect as you could possibly be, but I appreciate your feedback. In the meantime, I'm going to sit here in my uncertainty and simply wait.

I agree that people can be a bit black and white about things, but so far I have yet to see one post that says "I'm 100% sure ______"

People here have been through this same song and dance before, and are simply expressing the frustration that comes when they are reminded of how this company has done them in the past.

I'm so ashamed, i and my brother bought all games from bethesda in this list! PSN down again?? Hope for more free content or psn plus again! =D

I'll lay it on the line: I am 100% sure that after patch 1.4 Skyrim on PS3 will continue to drop to 0 frames per second.

You are being silly right?

100% is impossible. maybe 99.9999999999%, but never 100%.

Some more posts have been wished into the cornfield.

Here's the deal. I think it's actually pretty simple:

On this forum, flaming is a warn-able offence. That means a warning increase and posting suspensions, and the possibility of an eventual ban (though we tend to hope it never comes to that.) Flaming is considered any post which is meant to insult, demean, or otherwise be dismissive of another member on this forum. We don't need that sort of hostility here, and there's really no call for it.

The next time I catch someone around here calling someone else (or a group of other members) a derisive name or making personal attacks, they're going to get a warning. Now, I understand - this is an internet forum. Giving someone "time off" from a forum isn't really that big of a deal in the scheme of things, but those are the rules that I'm here to enforce. That is the cost, however, of continued insults; if it's worth it insult another anonymous member of this forum, then so be it - just be prepared to pay for it accordingly.

To be clear, here are insults and example of name-calling for which we will delete your post and issue a warning: "whiner," "grow up," "get over it," "shut up," "lacky," "lapdog," "Bethesda Defense Force," "get out of here," "go away," etc.

So - those are the rules. You all now know what to expect. We don't expect everyone in here to be happy campers. You are allowed to express your frustrations against Bethesda. We don't want anyone telling anyone else otherwise, or that their opinion has no place here. We also don't want people taking that frustration out on their fellow members, as there's no call for that.

Fallout 3, Fallout 3 GOTY, Fallout: New Vegas, and Fallout: New Vegas + any/all DLC all remain broken despite numerous patches. I'll go one better; Fallout: New Vegas Ultimate Edition will also be broken and never fixed.

i wonder how would the dlc sell,if the problem still exist on the vanilla game

cant imagine what will happen to skyrim if its installed with dlcs *shudders

Here is to hoping 1.4 fixes most issues but first time it locks my ps3 up Besthuda you can be 1000% sure I am getting a refund one way or the other your damn lucky that your not facing a class action lawsuit and you very well may be if you don't remedy this.

Lmao

I'm pretty sure that's a different game altogether and has not the size nor scope of Skyrim, rendering a comparison quite problematic. Also, I believe the mods don't want us discussing other games... so, that's where I'll stop discussing that point.

Now, as for the word "fix" versus "optimize," I think others have already pointed out the reasons for parsing language like that, but I don't mind reiterating:

1) they can't promise a "fix" in case someone still experiences problems somehow.

2) the things causing the problem are multiple and compounding, so therefore there's no way to "fix" it 100% - they can only optimize the conditions causing the problem in an effort to lower the odds that it will occur in the future.

If you are unable to definitively fix that then you have no business developing games.

We are now 5-6 years into this console generation so there is simply no excuse for any game to ever plummet to that level let alone to do it repeatedly. It's pathetic and inexcusable.

i thought it was 2K?

And I thought it was UBISOFT!
Well, you are right. It was 2K who ported. I wish they had done it for all the Bethesda games.

come on guys, let's be optimistic

We been waiting over a month now for this update, if it delivers it will be awesome

If the patch doesn't address the lag, well we will just never ever ever buy a game made by Bethesda



you guys have a great week end

yes for a company as famous and successful ad Bethesda I really find it amazing that they still manage to screw up the game for 1/3 of their consumers a second time the company who ported oblivion did a much better job then Bethesda could ever do and that's ridiculous

Saw a list of what's coming in 1.4 saying "that it will be finalized and submitted to Microsoft and Sony for certification next week". I don't know if this has been brought up yet, but this should finally help bring some optimism back to these threads. I assume the "Long term play optimizations for memory and performance (PS3)" is meant to quell the frame rate issues? It sure has taken long enough, so here's hoping it was worth the wait.

LMAO

so thats what ps3 owners "fix" was all about after all right? A "general performance IMPROVEMENT", just like the last one I assume right?? And we all know how that ended up performing...

rofl... last time I checked Bethesda's general stability and long term improvements didnt do JACK, considering the actual performance. I was expecting a FIX not an IMPROVEMENT.

So finally we have an update. To be fair, the list of fixes looks quite long and looks like a lot of work has been done. So credit where it is due for the number of fixes in there.

However, like others on the thread I'm concerned at the statements around PS3. I have no doubt Bethesda chose there words carefully here. Speaking as a customer and user of their product, It doesn't need optimized. It needs fixed.

I hope this patch will fix the issue with massive drops in frame rate and crashing of console. Occasional brief drops in frame rates I can handle and does happen. However, what I've been suffering with Skyrim is much worse than occasional brief drops in frame rates. If the issue isn't fixed, I'll be taking the game back and not leaving the shop till I get a refund.

or at the very least a "marked and notable improvement"

I mean just cause you can't see the improvment... doesn't mean its not there... you would never see what could have gone wrong if they fix it before it happens...

I would however like to know exactly what they mean by things like "general optimizations" and things of that nature... wtf are those? just filler so the list looks longer?

Hahahahaha amazing!

the part about general optimizations is in every single bethesda patch that gets released. In short, it means absolutely nothing. Unfortunately. This time I am not going to dedicate hours of gameplpay just to encounter problems again. No... never again. I will wait and see the response from the more "adventurous" gamers of this board. I am fed up wasting my time on a time-bomb.

And I wish that the patch does fix things, it is just that I am not counting on it so much...given the past experience...

Let's not forget that the framerate is not the only big problem. The game must stop crashing too.
I hope that this is why it crashes and they managed to fix it: "Fixed crashes related to pathing and AI, Fixed rare crash with loading saved games, Fixed crash related to giant attacks and absorb spells, Fixed memory crash with container menu".