I think it is better not to rush them, because they will finish the patch with a few problems than if they dedicate more time in it, with a day that have been passed I don't think "Oh, come on lets have the patch now, why they can't finish it now?" I think: "Well it is another day they will dedicate to correctly finish the patch and it would be less buged". Just my opinion dudes.

They shouldn't have released the game in its current state anyway.(at least the PS3 version)

We don't know what they're doing because they don't say anything, and that's the main problem most of us are having. I don't mind waiting longer for the patch to come out while they're busy with it, but I have a problem waiting for something so simple as information regarding the status of the patch.

Jeez... I for one hope the lag fixes the lag and freezes. Hopefully the quest bugs will be fixed in the same patch or the next. Don't really need info on the patch, expect I want to let them know when they are sending it to Sony.

Some posts have gone away. Let's get back on topic.

I just want to play this damn game I bought two months ago.

If patch 1.4 has no quest fixes, any idea when patch 1.5 will arrive? Are we to assume they've been concentrating solely on freeze/lag problems, or do you think they've been working on quest fixes parallel?

We don't know anything about a patch 1.5. What the patch will contain is something we will just have to wait and see due to lack of information. It sounds like there's gonna be quest fixes and at the same time the patch will "address" the lag problems.

Going by what they posted before christmas, 1.4 is for technical/important issues 1.5 is quests and other minor bugs. But seeing as how long its taking them for any information. maybe they'll come in one big patch.

I'd wait to see how the 1.4 patch goes first..

I've lost faith in this game being fixed.. don't get me wrong I'd love to see the game 100% working , but I think I visit here out of a strange morbid curiousity to see what happens next when they [censored] it up once more.

They can still fix this game. Keep the hope up and hopefully this game will be fully playable for everbody by patch 1.4 or 1.5

It's pretty sad when there is a possibility of 5 patches and all of these were made to address problems with the game that shouldn't have been there in the 1st place if proper testing and attention to detail were handled properly to begin with.

But that's the situation as it stands now and all we can do now is stay positive and hope for the patch to right the wrongs.

aye... and so another new guild has been formed in the lands of skyrim. The Patchers Join the guild and you will experience a patching experience! first quest: safe Lydia from following you

still playing the game on the latest patch without troubles yet. but aware of some I could run into!

Am trouble free myself but with a file size of 22 mb I won't be shocked if I encounter some trouble soon.

And there it is. Just saying.

But that's not why I came into this thread. That was just coincidence. This is why...




Okay then. In an effort to elevate the discussion in this thread, I'm going to repost some of my comments from one the threads which got locked and redirected here; followed by a question.

It has been suggested in various threads that are now closed, that many of us are reading into Bethesda's posts, being unreasonable and expecting too much by wanting information about the 1.4 patch and beyond.

I've argued against this point before, that there is an inference of a timeliness which can be taken from Bethesda's official posts here, and from their promotional materials leading up to the game's release, derived solely from the words and phrasing chosen.

Though they don't specifically state outright when patches will be released, they don't state when they won't be either. Yet I have not read or watched a single thing that uses wording which directly implies that updating and patching is going to take what the average person would likely consider to be a long period of time, such as a month or longer between updates. The 1.3 update went live just over a month ago, and many have been waiting for a lag fix for nearly two months.

So while many are reading meaning into it that isn't implicitly there, much of the wording is designed to lead the reader toward interpreting it a certain way; which is that things are being done, and are going to be done, in a timely and frequent manner.

For example, here are the three official comments which I have found posted on this site regarding the 1.4 patch, which do not reference or link to these three...

Dec. 1st: "This week we released update 1.2 across all platforms, and we’ll be releasing an incremental update next week. We anticipate it will be up on PC first, and then hit PS3 and Xbox 360 later in the week. Among other things, the update will fix issues like magic resistance not calculating properly and the rare, amazing backwards flying dragon. Once the update is released, we’ll share the full release notes.

After the holidays, we’ll continue to release regular updates for the game — through full title updates, as well as incremental “gameplay updates” to fix whatever issues come up along with rebalancing portions of the game for difficulty or exploits. We plan on having a lot of these, not just a few. Overall, you should expect updates to be hitting the PC and Steam earlier and more often, as that’s a process we control. Console updates will follow, as they must be certified and processed by those manufacturers."

http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1300559-skyrim-what-were-working-on/page__p__19579655#entry19579655

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Dec. 22: "The January 1.4 update is well underway right now for all platforms, along with the http://www.bethblog.com/2011/12/01/skyrim-what-were-working-on/."

http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1322016-holiday-update/page__p__19874546#entry19874546

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Jan 12: 1.4 is in the works and will have numerous fixes that have been reported. As soon as we have information on the date (and the finalized notes), we'll let everyone know.

http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1332244-patch-14-discussion-merged-similar-topics/page__st__60__p__20049174#entry20049174

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And that's it.

There have been a few comments on Twitter, in response to other tweeters; however nothing substantial or that adds more to the discussion than has been said previously.

Adding to this, though not specifically related to the January 1.4 patch, yet going more to my point of inferring a timeliness and frequency which has yet to manifest, is the following interview with Todd Howard on Kotaku from back in August.

"They are also adopting this new EA Sports-style "live update" system that will let Bethesda tweak the data in their game almost immediately. If a quest isn't triggering because players are doing some unforeseen combination of actions, that might be addressable by tweaking the data tables that dictate the flow of events in the game. If the game is proving to be unbalanced in an unexpected way, that can be fixed on the fly too. And these fixes—Howard prefers to call them "improvements"— will take effect fast. "We can change stats on a sword and it will be available to everyone in a few hours," he said."

http://kotaku.com/5834914/the-skyrim-team-has-a-better-plan-for-squashing-bugs-this-time

So clearly something has changed since then, and that was abandoned. Fine, I understand. However the point which I'm trying to clarify with this is that in this article, Bethesda is overtly expressing an intent and desire to make timeliness and frequency of updates a priority, to the point of going out on a limb and using it as a pre-release promotional selling point.

They recognize that timeliness with updates is important, to the gaming community, and apparently to Todd Howard and the development team, and imply an interest in transparency of communication with sharing so; yet the situation we find ourselves in 70 days after release is what we got instead.

And the inference which I take from all of this, is that something is wrong.

So what happened?

And why isn't anyone from Bethesda saying anything or updating the community? One of the takeaways I got from the pre-release promotional material, interviews and the blog, which I followed for most of the last year, was a desire for an increased transparency with the public; yet that has completely dried up since the game release. At first I just took it as the holidays, that they were all tired from making the release date, and had gone on a much deserved vacation. But now it's just coming across as if they genuinely don't care, and that all of that promotion was just to inspire confidence in the public and to get copies moving off of the shelves.

And so to my final question...

I would like to know if the January 1.4 Patch is going to address the following; or if not, what is being done about it.

http://kotaku.com/5865381/trying-to-explain-skyrims-awful-ps3-lag

So far the only official comment to Josh Sawyer's explanation of the situation with Skyrim and the PS3 is when Pete Hines posted the following:

"No, it isn't true. He brings up issues we solved long ago... Josh Sawyer did not work on Skyrim nor this engine and his comments don't reflect how the current tech works."

http://www.vg247.com/2011/12/07/bethesda-debunks-obsidian-devs-skyrim-ps3-lag-theory/?

And in the Holiday Update, Pete Hines said, "we've learned the game can get in some states where it severely taxes the PS3 in particular. We've been working hard to find and fix those with your help."

http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1322016-holiday-update/page__p__19874546#entry19874546


Well then... how does the current tech work differently? Why are we experiencing the same symptoms?

None of us knows if a fix for the PS3 lag is actually going to be a part of the January 1.4 Update, as that post doesn't state that it will, and all of Bethesda's comments in other media outlets have been worded rather vaguely - though one could could again infer that it might, due to the wording.

Why can't someone official come in here and just give it to us straight? The mods do it frequently, just telling it like it is.

We all want a fix for our game, and I'm sure most of us want that to be done properly and not rushed. We're not asking for a rush job, or to be given an itemized list that we will hold your feet to the coals over if it doesn't happen. Those who are asking for information just want some straight talk for a change. The community has put it's faith in Bethesda, yet that faith is being worn down; and our patience is not an eternal well spring.

So Bethesda... why not give it a shot, and show a little faith in the community? Who knows, the truth might just set you free.

Nicely put Oloric. I would just like to add that since this isn't the first time Bethesdas games have been released in an almost broken state, and not the first time they promised patches to address major issues or said they are working on another patch only to not fix what they said was being "addressed", or NOT release any more patches at all, or even creating bigger problems, it's not hard to see why so many people dislike them now and certainly don't trust them. So as much as I HOPE they will fix the game, they haven't with past titles a few times before, so it's almost impossible to have faith in or believe anything they say anymore.

I do hope 1.4 fixes most of the problems, I really do, it will give them a little bit more credibility back, which at this point they pretty much have none anymore. However, if my game is still UNENJOYABLE and more importantly UNPLAYABLE due to lag, freezes, glitches in UI, sound, graphical anomalies and animation/following glitches, unresponsive controls, broken activation triggers, broken favorites and hotkey functions and item stacking, and 0-15 frames per second gameplay and having to hard boot out of my locked up ps3 many many times, the broken quests are really annoying as well, and let's not forget the fact that all these hard-locks CAN damage your expensive console leading to a PS3 "brick", on top of many other problems that I and so many others can't avoid running into...... *breathes*....... If all of these things are still pretty much in full affect after patch 1.4, then I will be selling this game and never support this company again. They have horrible communication skills and flat out lie to us over and over again just to get away with the fraud (yet legal due to software laws) they commit.

So given their track record I have almost zero faith and almost as little hope that this next patch will actually let me play this broken game. Good luck Bethesda I really do hope you fix this travesty because if you don't you will lose a lot of respect and customers. The only reason people are "fans" of this company still is because of the worlds in which their games take place, definitely NOT the skill of their development teams. GOTY and other awards needs to be given to worthy titles and I'm sure other more talented developers really hate what this company gets away with on top of how they treat their customers. Makes me wonder if it's all just money and sneaky PR that allows for the acceptance of such unworthy awards. In terms of the game world, their sneak skill is definitely better than their repair skills, as was said in another thread.

Bethesda has said repeatedly, as recently as yesterday, that the next patch is slated for a January release. It's January 18th. Calm down, find something else to occupy your time if need be for another week, and let them release the patch. It's not complicated.

Saying what? Is there som law saying I can't use this forum? No, there isn't. If you want to elevate your ego, then fine, but there are several more efficient ways to do it.

Also, I do believe this patch will contain the necessary actions concerning the lag problems as I don't think Bethesda is very happy about this sort of PR.

I'm calm. Work is occupying my time. It was just a series of observations and questions.



Never said that you can't use this forum. However I do recall a closed thread with my name as the title, with you calling me out to describe the condition of your game, because in another thread I had asked in a manner imitating your own tone, why you were confronting an upset gentleman since your game was working perfectly, based on what you had told me four days prior; to which you blew up, implying that it could have broke in the interim and that I was putting words in your mouth.

"Trouble free" is pretty clear. Your words, not mine. And that is all I was saying.

Now I am saying this...

If you want to hang around here with a trouble free game and confront posters who are repeating the same complaints for the umpteenth time because it annoys you, then go to town. I don't care. I don't like it, but so what.

But if you keep coming at me, then we're gonna have words.

Well, I was lucky enough to fix my quest bugs by reloading an earlier save. That also seemed to have stopped the random frame rate stuttering I had. Deleted the rest of this post as I see no point in continuing this and take up mods time and make them clean up threads.

I see. "Then why the hell did you buy the game if everything suggested it would be crap?" is your way of being polite and non-confrontational.

In case you don't remember, and for those following along... http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1333955-so-everyone-just-gave-up/page__view__findpost__p__20074809



I came in this thread to post what I did. That the most recent post was you describing the state of your game was merely a coincidence; and a little much, considering that you had made such a big deal out of it only two days ago. "And there it is," was my answer to your thread with my name on it.

From my perspective, posting about your trouble free game in the "Patch 1.4 for PS3 Discussion" topic is doing a bit of poking yourself.

Magnificent post Oloric. I have tried and failed to express my discontent as well as you have in your post. I expect Bethesda will be too embarrased to give you and other customers the response they deserve.

Was thinking of a different topic I posted in which we had that argument.
You forget to mention that I actually had problems. Some quest bugs and random frame rate stuttering which I fixed by reloding an earliver save.

I think all Bethesda wants now is to fix the game so it's playable and forget they released the game on PS3, to be honest.

Thank you, Jambo. I hope that Bethesda infers from our posting and being here, that there is still hope; and that there is a way to a positive solution for everyone, if handled appropriately and truthfully.



Glad to hear that's not a problem for you anymore.