Skyrim is the best game I've played to date, and I've been playing lots of RPG's over the years. I'm nearly 27 y/o and I've seen lots of games, and I've witnessed lots of beautiful moments in gaming.
As far as I'm concerned, this game holds the best fantasy atmosphere to date - and it shows.
I too have a frame rate issue (drops in cities, etc) but I do not bash Bethesda for it, neither do I bash the game. They are doing their best - they have been working for years to give us the best possible game they can, and there are plenty of people that are giving them an extremely hard time over the boards. Why do you do that? Please bare in mind that the PC (and I'm a pure PC gamer) has lots of issues nowadays, because of:
Different rig setups: Multiple GPU's, GPU models, CPU models, RAM amounts, 3rd party applications, different GPU rendering capacilities, technology, and probably the most troubling thing of all - which is NOT under the control of the developers - DRIVERS.

Do you have any idea how frustrating it must be for developers to develop a game in this scale, just to witness bugs remaining after months of QA process? Do you honestly think you should bash the game about 3-4 days after it has been released, and lower their spirits like this? Please - think again. Drivers, especially - are not in their responsibility! They are gathering issues, they have been asking for our DXdiags, they are not Console-Only developers, and we should thank them for not choosing the easy path and developing only for consoles - there are numerous titles out there that has gone this path, and it is our loss.

So, when there's such a brilliant developer that's doing its very best giving us an amazing experience, without selling themselves to be console exclusive - we should be thanking them, and ask they will note our issues. Not demanding them anything, and especially - not bashing them altogether.

Bethesda, I would like to thank you a lot for this game. I'm sure like me is the silent majority, that are having an extremely good time with the game. Thank you for developing this for PC as well- Hopefully you will go on doing this for years to come.

Agreed.

People are always going to complain, even if somethings literally perfect. I wish everyone could give positive constructive criticism but that goes against our nature lol...

Yeah, and it's not just about the PC version, they worked really hard for console gamers aswell, so people should think before they say sh*t. I love it, can't wait to get back at it. GOTY for sure, or better yet, Game of the Decade (hah ok maybe a bit overstatement)

Sad thing is most complaints are like "UMM BOW IS BROKED I CANT ALL THE ENEMIES IN TEH CAV DEY BEET ME"

Most complaints aren't that [censored] but yes there are a few too many complaints.

Despite Skyrim's minor flaws, it is by far the most fun I've had gaming, and has the best atmosphere I've ever experienced.

Can I make a thread too?

Can I call it "Please stop licking Bethesda's [censored]-strewn boots."?

Do you know how frustrating it is to point out problems months in advance only to see nothing fixed? (re the terrible UI design)

Do you know how frustrating it is to shell out $60 in an economy like this to get a game that is not even finished?

Do you know how frustrating it is to play in a game world and not be able to do basic things that exist in that game world because the poor developers did not bother putting them in?

Fine. I'll feel sorry for the developers once I get my $60 back or once I get to actually play a finished product.


Edit: don't get me wrong, the game has huge potential. I can't wait to actually see a version that is ready to be released to the public...even if that means modders have to pick up where Beth cannot deliver...

You forget, that what you see from here - isn't the whole picture. You are seeing only what matters to you, while they are seeing what's important for the entire project. That's a whole different scale of attention to bugs/details.

I, just like you - paid 60$ in this very economy for this game, and while I agree I'd like the FPS issue fixed - I will still praise and thank them for a job very well done. If you had doubts, and you knew about issues beforehand, why did you pay for the game? Why didn't you wait for the patches to be released?

What you consider basic things in the game world, might not be essential to a very wide player-audience. You look solely on your niche, and you should look at the whole picture. This is a product that's supposed to let everyone choose, but even that has it's limits.

Thank them for what they have developed. They deserve that after all these years they have given everything they had, while other companies are taking PC titles away from us. They are still on our side - and we should be thanking them, and giving them constructive criticism. Not another bashing thread without reason in it.

I'm enjoying Skyrim. It's an early Christmas gift and I'm just loving the hell out of it.


That doesn't mean I can't be irate about how glitchy my preferred companion is.
That doesn't mean I can't say that I preferred Oblivion's UI to Skyrim's.
That doesn't mean I can't make comments on how some stuff needs to be expanded or altered, and how some aspects seem completely tacked on.


Loving and supporting a company does not mean blindly accepting every flaw that comes out with it. I voice my concern because I want Bethesda to know, and hopefully patch the errors- particularly since I buy their games for the XBOX first, and then eventually for the PC if I really get into it. Hell, I own Oblivion on the 360, PS3 and the PC. (Long story, but I don't mind the investment.)

While the game itself as a whole is very fun and playable, they do have some quality of life issues that are annoying.

1. Initial UI was horrible, and it took a bit of getting used to to really smoothly go through it.

2. Character scaling feels bad, especially since Mammoths and Giants are stronger than Dragons....

3. Store/Economy System are flawed, there's a lack of vendors to buy certain products, all of which force you to level the speech craft tree...

I completely agree we should point out things we aren't having the way we thought they would be, or errors bugs, etc.
But there's a way to write it, to say it - to hand it over without getting extremely irritated 4 days after the game's been released.
You are among those that care - I fully respect that you are trying to give them things to think about. There are plenty of others that are just writing things in a little of an inappropriate way, and it makes me feel a little bad for the guys sitting across the world, developing something for the PC, while they could choose the easier path like many others are doing these days.

After playing almost all weekend (I just couldn't stop playing) I too have to say that this is THE best game I've ever played. I've read similar opinions from many players, that can't be coincidence. It's an epic achievement, congrats to Bethesda.
On the other hand I can understand people having issues.

Heh... You're funny...

A more constructive thread post would have been a little more useful. Thank you nontheless for your opinion.

What is the thread topic again?

After you are done wringing your hands over the fact that other people are not going to assume the position and take it gently...you are free to join in an demand that Bethesda deliver the product they are in the business of providing.

Same. I can understand people having issues. But the game is great. It is hard to take a break at times.

For the record, there are now 75 pages of threads started in the PC bug issues forum.

I agree with the OP completely.

Without doubt Skyrim out classes other Adventure/RPGs on a level few could have dreamt of even 5 years ago. Sure there are bells and whistles and the odd glitch and so on, but the perfect game has yet to be produced. Be fair now. In a game of this size it would be nothing short of a miracle if everything was utterly free from the odd glitch etc. Stand at the top of a mountain and look around you. What you are seeing blows the mind. From the huge luminescent moon to the snowstorm swirling below. Skyrim is beautiful to look at, engaging from the start, fun to play. I am a 60year old woman who has played Elder Scrolls games since their first inception. Each was superb in its own right (yes even with the glitches and stuff) Skyrim is a triumph. As an 'old fogie' I want to congratulate Bethesda on producing something truly special, spectacular and all engrossing.

PS. Any other old fogies out there??

This. I love the game for what it is, but pointing out legitimate flaws is a perfectly acceptable thing to do. Now if a person is going 'RAWR SKYRIM svck BUT ME NO SAY WHY JUST THAT IT DOES 1/10', then yes, I agree that that needs to end. I saw enough of that after the release of DA2, which did have plenty of problems but most of the people I saw complaining about it couldn't be arsed to say exactly WHAT they had a problem with. However people who are being constructive have a right to have their opinions heard. Heck, so do the 'ZOMG CAPS' crowd for that matter - though they really need to explain exactly what they have a problem with in clear concise terms, as opposed to going ape all over the keyboard, so that the developers can improve upon their work.

Have played for two days so far, and it is great

I am sorry OP but do you expect all of us to simply get down on our knees and praise Bethesda for making this ''perfect'' game you are talking about? Just to make this clear, I think this game is great, it has a great amount of content and replay value but it also clearly lacks in certain area's. Most complaints I have read on these forums are totally valid, especially those concerning the pc version of Skyrim.

Terrible fps, Crashes, overall limited visual experience, terrible User interface (for pc atleast) and perhaps many more technical issues. You can blame this on ATI or Nvidia but Bethesda is no saint in this matter either.

Complaints about gameplay are debatable as everyones personal preferences and opinions differ of course. Some may seem like nagging or nitpicking, but in the end it all comes down to how this game allows or limits you to play and create the character you want.

You are currently in Skyrim heaven, some of us in it's Oblivion.

You know the gaming industry is one of the few places where delivering unfinished products is accepted, I don't get it, and people will actually defend them, Sure people pressure them to rush the project, but all in all games do get released before they are ready.

Now Skyrim isn't the worst game, i haven't really had anything to complain about, but that doesn't mean its perfect, i read console players have a hard time reading the text, i know the pc players have a hard time with the UI, and tbh that really svcks, i hate having to start bartering all over again because i click 1mm wrong, or hearing the same convo all over again, when i clearly clicked on the next question. And no i shouldn't have to get used to a bugged interface.

I get why you complain about whining post, only constructive criticisms, but fan boy post like OP is just as bad. Bethesda knew they were developing cross platform, there really isnt a excuse for a bad pc UI, this is by far the worst console UI i have ever seen on pc. Just like there is no excuse for the console players having a hard time reading the text on there TV.

I think its fair to demand a working product, when you pay for it, thats how the rest of the world works, if you pay for a new roof on your house you wont walk around and pat the construction workers back and say good effort in a few patches my house wont be leaking anymore.

edit hmm fan boy in one word gets censored, didnt call you anything nasty