Please stop bashing BethesdaSkyrim.

Post » Sat Jun 09, 2012 8:07 am

Its gonna happen.

Its happens with every major release and after about a month, they will go away, for the most part.
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Post » Sat Jun 09, 2012 2:54 pm

Who's bashing the game and bethesda?

This is such a staggering and beautiful game with so much to admire. I said in another post that imo Bethesda have raised the bar so high with this game that they simply don't have any peers among the developer world anymore, the already extremely high expectations I had for this game have not only been met, but far exceeded. This game is a massive achievement & a work of art.



some people are just petty though & there are individuals in the world who never seem happy unless they are moaning about something. Their voices will be drowned out by the swell of overwhelming praise that this game generates. Praise which is very well deserved, because this....is....the....greatest....game....ever....made!!!!!!!
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Post » Sat Jun 09, 2012 11:01 pm

"Skyrim is unfinished and doesn't deserve the $60 I spent on it" is a bit ridiculous.
But SR is unfinished and is not worth the $60 I spent on it...

Most of the criticisms were made months ago. The major design flaws have been meticulously laid out by multiple forum members over months. Nothing was fixed/improved. :confused:

The 75+ pages of PC bugs you see in the bugs forums are just icing on the cake.
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Post » Sat Jun 09, 2012 1:17 pm

There are things that can be improved or changed but overall this is the most wonderful game I've ever played in the past 20 years. Moreover, with Bethesda I've expected far more bugs at realese but after 20 hours I haven't encounter any major yet and just some minor ones which is astonishing considering how huge and complex this game is.

Keep up the good work Bethesda!
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Post » Sat Jun 09, 2012 5:57 pm

Who's bashing the game and bethesda?

This is such a staggering and beautiful game with so much to admire. I said in another post that imo Bethesda have raised the bar so high with this game that they simply don't have any peers among the developer world anymore, the already extremely high expectations I had for this game have not only been met, but far exceeded. This game is a massive achievement & a work of art.



some people are just petty though & there are individuals in the world who never seem happy unless they are moaning about something. Their voices will be drowned out by the swell of overwhelming praise that this game generates. Praise which is very well deserved, because this....is....the....greatest....game....ever....made!!!!!!!

<_< Not sure if serious...
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Post » Sat Jun 09, 2012 9:54 am

But SR is unfinished and is not worth the $60 I spent on it...

Most of the criticisms were made months ago. The major design flaws have been meticulously laid out by multiple forum members over months. Nothing was fixed/improved. :confused:

The 75+ pages of PC bugs you see in the bugs forums are just icing on the cake.

This is just flat-out wrong.

Yes, there are bugs. I would expect a number of bugs in a game of Skyrim's breadth, since I encounter plenty of bugs in regular, linear games right after they're released. That's a legitimate complaint.

Saying that the game is "unfinished" because the developers didn't take everyone's contradictory ideas off the hundreds of preemptive whining threads that were posted on this forum before anyone had even seen a gameplay demo is just ridiculous. You keep on talking about these "design flaws" like they're objective points that everyone agrees on. I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that they aren't, because I have zero complaints about the game mechanics, and that includes the UI (I'm playing on PC). If there are design decisions you don't like, fine. But don't pretend that you've become the arbiter of good game development by sheer virtue of you hurling the most insults.
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Post » Sat Jun 09, 2012 1:07 pm

Skyrim is the best game I've played to date, and I've been playing lots of RPG's over the years. I'm nearly 27 y/o and I've seen lots of games, and I've witnessed lots of beautiful moments in gaming.
As far as I'm concerned, this game holds the best fantasy atmosphere to date - and it shows.
I too have a frame rate issue (drops in cities, etc) but I do not bash Bethesda for it, neither do I bash the game. They are doing their best - they have been working for years to give us the best possible game they can, and there are plenty of people that are giving them an extremely hard time over the boards. Why do you do that? Please bare in mind that the PC (and I'm a pure PC gamer) has lots of issues nowadays, because of:
Different rig setups: Multiple GPU's, GPU models, CPU models, RAM amounts, 3rd party applications, different GPU rendering capacilities, technology, and probably the most troubling thing of all - which is NOT under the control of the developers - DRIVERS.

Do you have any idea how frustrating it must be for developers to develop a game in this scale, just to witness bugs remaining after months of QA process? Do you honestly think you should bash the game about 3-4 days after it has been released, and lower their spirits like this? Please - think again. Drivers, especially - are not in their responsibility! They are gathering issues, they have been asking for our DXdiags, they are not Console-Only developers, and we should thank them for not choosing the easy path and developing only for consoles - there are numerous titles out there that has gone this path, and it is our loss.

So, when there's such a brilliant developer that's doing its very best giving us an amazing experience, without selling themselves to be console exclusive - we should be thanking them, and ask they will note our issues. Not demanding them anything, and especially - not bashing them altogether.

Bethesda, I would like to thank you a lot for this game. I'm sure like me is the silent majority, that are having an extremely good time with the game. Thank you for developing this for PC as well- Hopefully you will go on doing this for years to come.


Best Graphically : Sure

Best of all not think so I think Morrowind still is a step above , tough Skyrim is also a step above Oblivion for some reasons ...
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Post » Sun Jun 10, 2012 12:09 am

That is one of the main problems, of course - you cannot create the character you want with Skyrim, as with other TES games (and FO3 too). This is a problem with most Western games, though, despite their marketing claims to the contrary. Specifically, they claim you can make whatever character you want and then fail to allow artistic options to do so, thus undermining any sense of empathy and immersion for players who do not share their very specific (and limited) tastes in art. The whole problem boils down to a focus on "realistic" which is really silly considering (1) reality is subjective and (2) the game is a fictional world and finally (3) their marketing claims state exactly the opposite (i.e., they claim you can make any character you want, not only "realistic" characters according to their artistic tastes).

Let me quote their own marketing bullet point:



Well, I cannot do so, as usual with Beth's games despite their many other excellent qualities. The only reason I have invested thousands of hours in their games is due to East Asian modders, particularly artists. Also, some Western modders, of course, but the character aesthetic fixes are almost entirely due to East Asian modders like Ren. Let's also keep in mind that Beth has known this since Morrowind, but still refuses to do anything about it. They even see forum members with East Asian art avatars, so they don't even need to consider downloads from TESNexus or elsewhere.

There is no game where you can play anyone you want, the amount of possibilities are nearly infinite and video games are always finite. I think it's good that Bethesda kept an aesthetic that is consistent with the Norse influence. You just disagree with the aesthetic and that's fine, but no need to attack them for it.
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Post » Sat Jun 09, 2012 8:28 am

There is no game where you can play anyone you want, the amount of possibilities are nearly infinite and video games are always finite. I think it's good that Bethesda kept an aesthetic that is consistent with the Norse influence. You just disagree with the aesthetic and that's fine, but no need to attack them for it.

Agreed.

The game doesn't take place in an East-Asian-inspired world. So the design influences aren't East Asian. But the type of character you play has nothing to do with what outfits are available, and it's a really shallow, silly complaint to say that Bethesda has cut off options by staying in a consistent design aesthetic.

Edit: Also, that's the main reason I never touch the East-Asian-inspired mods, because the designers usually just throw this ridiculously garish armor into the game without considering how it looks in relation to the world that's already there.
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Post » Sat Jun 09, 2012 6:07 pm

There was than game company that in one game make you lose 500 ep if you save your game outsite of temple in major town or city than the computer was either than 386 or 486 back then really slow machine with no fast travel in the game of than huge world where it can take 6 hours of real world time to travel between the major town temple which very major town have to save your game without penaly. Many people wrote to the game company about this design problen in the game afterward there was no penaly of loseing ep for saveing outside of temples.
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Post » Sat Jun 09, 2012 5:38 pm

yeah this is the best game ive played in my life, and thats coming from some no-lifer who spend his time gaming 90 hours a week for the past 10 years lol.
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Post » Sat Jun 09, 2012 9:57 am

Do you know how frustrating it is to point out problems months in advance only to see nothing fixed? (re the terrible UI design)
That's an opinion. UI works great for me. Better than any of Bethesda's previous UIs. I play on PC with M+KB.
Do you know how frustrating it is to shell out $60 in an economy like this to get a game that is not even finished?
Game looks finished to me. Of course, like all games it will need some patches, but it works great and there's no big flaws.

Do you know how frustrating it is to play in a game world and not be able to do basic things that exist in that game world because the poor developers did not bother putting them in?
Uh, like what? You can do anything you see being done by NPCs. The world has more depth than all of the previous TES games combined.
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Post » Sat Jun 09, 2012 11:12 am

It pain me when people complain about fast travel in Elder Scroll Game first it than great idear. In one board game of wwii with 3 month turn with 200 miles hex even with megavic moverent due to terrain all units where able to move one hex with 3 month turn even the slow moveing unit can travel 200 miles in that time. It have that each nation have than form of fast movenent call ST for than limit number of units that wherenot in combat to move cross the map at once. It was called The Raise and Fall of the 3RD Reich.
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Post » Sat Jun 09, 2012 10:28 am

Completely agreed OP! People say it's "broken" or "unfinished" just because some minor detail they really want isn't among the thousands of awesome details Bethesda has already included. Skyrim is my new favorite video game, and is at least twice as good as the next best game I have ever played. Thank you Bethesda!!
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Post » Sat Jun 09, 2012 3:50 pm

The combat system is a copy/paste from the previous game with a few babystep upgrades. The game is legendary in every other aspect, but Bethesda should get a little bit of grief for the swap job they did on combat. This game could have been the best game ever made for the next 10 years with a new combat system.


How long will you sit on the "TES games aren't about combat" excuse? When will TES games finally include a combat system as epic as the landscape?
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Post » Sat Jun 09, 2012 2:43 pm

I have been playing games for 20+ years. This game is pure magic.
It's the game of all games. Nothing comes even close to this.
Morrowind was my favorite till now but Skyrim is - there are no words -
a magnificent and spectacular game with an unbelievable feel of the world.
I'm enjoying every second of this game even after 4 days of intense playing and can't stop.
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Post » Sat Jun 09, 2012 9:44 am

Yes, this is the greatest game ever up to date, and probably 5more years, until another tes game(which i hope they will make)
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Post » Sat Jun 09, 2012 11:46 am

I started the TES series with Arena, but I was very young and couldn't appreciate it at the time for what it was worth. Daggerfall was a lot more memorable for me, and it was the game I compared all TES games to. Morrowind was great and a worthy successor to Daggerfall, but it still didn't hold that special something for me as Daggerfall did. Oblivion was a step backward - while fun in it's own right and it had all those little things about the TES series that I enjoyed, it just wasn't as good as Daggerfall or Morrowind, and it did a lot of things I disliked. Skyrim, however, has totally surprised me. It has over-exceeded my expectations and effectively replaced both Morrowind and Daggerfall. Sure, there are things that are missing that I wish would make a return, but the game itself is downright awesome and fun to play in all respects. The things I hated, like the voice overs in Oblivion or scaling gear and creatures (to such a great extent) are gone. If you have problems with the game, I don't really know what to say to that. I'm a hardcoe fan and I'm utterly stunned at how awesome this game is.
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Post » Sat Jun 09, 2012 6:13 pm

Haha i've just posted the same sort of thing...
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Post » Sat Jun 09, 2012 9:54 pm

I'm a PC gamer, but against all of my common knowledge decided to pick this up for my PS3 before I got it on PC, and I can honestly say that TES:V Skyrim holds itself on the console better then Morrowind and Oblivion combined, and Bethesda has once again earned themselves back into my soul (Sorry fans, but Oblivion, in my eyes, was utter garbage.)

The game is beautiful, vivid, the story is intriguing, the scripting on the fights and events are awesome, and the dragon battles (Though they lose their difficulty quickly) are still a great sight to see on a 1080i TV.
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Post » Sat Jun 09, 2012 10:35 am

Mate have u played other games on the pc or is this the first u are playing?
I have played tons of pc games and im also 27.The game has one of the worst performance/textures to date so far.
There are a lot of studios making pc games and their games running just fine.
What u say is just words of [censored] cause u have no idea.
They made a console game and they just tried to transfer that port to the pc thats why the game runs like [censored] on the pc.They made zero adjustments so as to optimize it.
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Post » Sat Jun 09, 2012 11:21 am

No game is perfect, as long as the complaints are legitimate why not? Should not the craftsmen seek the perfection of his trade? We all know humans aren't perfect either, so no game will be perfect. Doesn't stop people from being able to seek perfection anyways.
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Post » Sat Jun 09, 2012 10:41 pm

I think it’s one of the best TES games to date, might even be better than Morrowind :P

I do have one issue though, the PC interface. Hotkeys are much better to use for a PC gamer than the fav list where I have to pause every 5 seconds during a fight to do things. Plus the fact that even if you changed your keyboard layout, the menu screen does not update and you get confused about which buttons to click in order to drop an item, use an item etc....

I think many are angry because this would be an easy fix for Bethesda, if they just put in a bit more work to make the PC interface better. Instead they have left it unfinished and broken. I do love this game..... but if they don’t fix these issues in a patch for PC users (who have been some of the biggest fans of the TES series) then I will be disappointed.

I will still play the game because I love it..... but I will be disappointed.
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Post » Sat Jun 09, 2012 8:26 pm

I agree 101%! But there are just minor flaws that influence the gameplay on a graphical level, or just the overall game experience, that could be done better. I will never bash Skyrim, as it is the best game to this date, but if the flaws were actively fixed it would be even better, obviously.

I know creating a game like this is difficult, but there are just minor flaws that you could notice and (probably) fix after playing for 2-3 hours.
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Post » Sat Jun 09, 2012 5:58 pm

I think it’s one of the best TES games to date, might even be better than Morrowind :P

I do have one issue though, the PC interface. Hotkeys are much better to use for a PC gamer than the fav list where I have to pause every 5 seconds during a fight to do things. Plus the fact that even if you changed your keyboard layout, the menu screen does not update and you get confused about which buttons to click in order to drop an item, use an item etc....

I think many are angry because this would be an easy fix for Bethesda, if they just put in a bit more work to make the PC interface better. Instead they have left it unfinished and broken. I do love this game..... but if they don’t fix these issues in a patch for PC users (who have been some of the biggest fans of the TES series) then I will be disappointed.

I will still play the game because I love it..... but I will be disappointed.
You do realize you can assign hot keys, right?
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