So I should blindly kiss their ass?

I don't think so.

There are problems with Skyrim, there are problems with the current dev team for TES. I will continue to voice my concerns.

if the "argument" you use to support your point of view can be used by those supporting the exact OPPOSING viewpoint, then, your "argument" is flawed.

OP, please stop supporting bethesda/skyrim despite its obvious flaws and imperfections.

As a PS3 player, I can say the game is completely broken for my console. The game has huge FPS derops after an hour of play, and a lot of people have experienced freezing that requires the system to be reset without proper shutdown procedure, which usually corrupts data like saves. I personally know 2 people who have needed to restore the system after playing Skyrim.

3 Patches later we still have these issues. Even patches that said they would directly address the issues. This really isn't good enough. Especially when FO:NV, which was released quite recently, had exactly the same issues.

I want this fixed so my game is playable, then we can begin to move on to comparitively minor complaints such as quest designs and overall RPG quality.

Why in the name of Azura has this release era thread been resurrected! Make a new one goddammit!!! Also whoever restarted it- how on earth did you find it?

Man people think the negativity is bad on here anyone on the bioware boards when Dragon Age 2 came out everyone was having a field day.

You might want to delete that before the fan.boys call your a troll

No.

Yup you can, or you could just go away...I vote for the latter.

I have a love/hate relationship with Skyrim. I've played all the way through with almost all the sidequests. It's one of the best and worst games I've played. I've never had a game Crash-To-The-Desktop so often as this game. Even though I've loved the gameplay, the crashes are frustrating as [censored]. I really hope Bethesda's Q&A department all got fired or at least got an arrow to the knee.

This is a great game, sure it has bugs but that is acceptable. If you look through the thread you can see some complainers, you can tell by their posts.

While I don't like how your point is presented ... this issue you raise is a good one. I would gladly trade a side quest or two for more quality assurance put into the game before it's released. Point taken.

I will still probably buy ESVI when it comes out. However, I feel we are all starting to get conditioned to getting used to a game that's not polished when it hits retail outlets.

(Still a top five game for me though ...)

Skyrim, ultimately makes me feel ambivalent.

It does many things right, the art design, world design, music, an the like are all pretty good. But the more under the hood things, such as writing, mechanics, difficulty, balance, glitches, etc bring the game down from being as great as it should be.

When I play, I feel happy about the things that were done well, but can only sigh in disappointment at many missed opportunities for greatness. It does not help that the game's big features, such as shouts and dragons are underwhelming, or that the majority of quests boil down to some variation of fetch quests and dungeon delves, or that the main quest and civil war feel entirely phoned-in and weak.

Because of all this, I can't play Skyrim anymore.

The world is fantastically beautiful... but if nothing else is up to par, it's not worth it.

These are some of the biggest first world problems ever.

My adoration of the game turns to utter distain when i realize my 200 hour + save file becomes unplayable because of a longstanding issue that has plauged just about every bethesda release to date. This issue has not been adressed and will likely persist into the next TES release.

These kinds of threads will do nothing but rekindle players' digust for skyrim's flaws.

Biggest first world problem:

"Stop not liking what I like!"

The original poster, its a matter of personal opinion.

Now this is my personal opinion, Skyrim by far is not the best game I have ever played. I too, have played numerous games over my 20 plus years as a gamer, but if a player comes to me and says, "Skyrim is the best game ever!" and just recently stopped playing WoW; I'd take their view with a grain of salt.

In previous Elder of the Scrolls games, I recall being glue to my seat (so to speak) playing for months on end. With Skyrim however, I grew bored in a little over two months. The game is empty, soulless and felt rushed. I have since gone back to Dragon Age and I have to say its nice to be a part of a story that is not put together by a bunch of stoned and drunk developers looking to make the next big game. And of course the bonus is not having to run past NPC and hear then spew out the same senseless banter.

I know full well the scale on what it takes to make a game, but the scale is not what is important. What is important is if the game lives up to your entertainment and Skyrim simply did not do that for me.

This thread was started 4 days after release. Wonder how small they think the errors are at this point. Beth releasing 1.4 that covers how many failure to load crash issues. 5-1 odds they still svck up.

I would like to suggest we start using the Facebook system, in which you can 'like' responses, just because of this post. Also, that is the best avatar on this forum.

The game has some flaws that need to be solved, and it is far from perfect mechanically. There are many features that should have been included but were not for rather nebulous reasoning. It would be nice if they stopped streamlining many of the features they have. The people who are happy with what has been produced... well okay. The people who say it's the best thing ever created and refuse to recognize the flaws: It's a bit silly.

That said...

For those of you offering constructive Criticism your doing fine; the only way we can get a superior product is to demand more out of the poor choices made in every product. The game was well designed though. The people who got together and put the game together really did seem to enjoy the work they did and it shows. It has shown the old and silly assumption about RPGs ingeneral, when it comes to the necessary inclusion of online play, to be false. The game might not have lived up to your expectations, okay. It might not have some of the depth from Morrowind. It was better than Oblivion though... hell a prostate exam was better than Oblivion. The issue is people who hide behind 'constructive criticism' to level totally inane accusations and bemoan the loss of art in modern games.


I will say though: there are very few of both of these types of people in the general populace of the forum, only a couple come to mind... most of this insanity comes from people who are new to the forums. So... mistrust those new people, they are only here to molest our ideals and make passes at our women. Trust in your friendly neighborhood political officer, and trust in the state! Only you can prevent Dissonance and treason

I guess my previous post was too subtle for some people to grasp. I'll say it a little clearer this time: folks, this thread is two months old. The person who started it has not logged onto this forum for a month. He has probably moved on to some other game by now. There's no point in responding to him.

Because people love to complain. Although, I find it hard to believe that people truly 'hate' this game.

I have played countless games that I despised, and I never once felt the urge to join their forums and troll them.

Best RPG I have ever played by the way i hate wow. but I play on console and love it got like 500 hours into it 4 Characters and still going strong (will be takeing a brake while waiting for DLC might play Kingdoms of Amalur) but when the Dlc is out ill be back for a few hundred hours more. Any way my point like everyone else I to have had Problems. but in all the Years IV been Playing game I have never Played one that didnt have A bug or Ten.
Skyrim sold me on TES games tried morrowind Couldn't get into it same as Oblivion but this game I mean Come on its Awesome! the only complaint i have is the Loading behind every door. Now Loading screens dont bother me but when there as often as this i get fustrated but i fogive.

Bethesda/Skyrim YOUR AWESOME! Keep up the great work
Ps..some info on the dlc would be appreciated

Because people love to kiss up. Although, I find it hard to believe that people truly 'love' this game.

I have played countless games that I enjoyed a lot, and I never once felt the urge to join their forums and spread glitter everywhere.

Many just don't know how to give proper feedback without sounding like a whiner or complainer or immature....

I agree. The only thing I do is make an issue known if I have one. It accomplishes nothing to "nerd-rage" all over the forums and whatnot or to threaten a lawsuit or what have you.

I just sit and wait and do what I can for entertainment.

The ones that complain hardest about the game though, I think, actually love the game so much that the problems they have ruin the good feeling they would otherwise get from playing it. I get angry if the game crashes on me after I hadn't saved for an hour or two (autosaves are off to be safe from lag), sure, but I simply turn off the system and get on with life