» Wed Jun 13, 2012 4:52 am This is the only thing worth responding too... how? I own the PC copy... I can mod all I want. I don't think Xbox gamers are being treated unfairly because of modding... otherwise I wouldn't have bought the PC version. I do however believe PC gamers are getting a fair deal when compared to Xbox getting timed exclusive DLC because they already get so much and you shouldn't be complaining when your getting a fair deal. As I said PS3 gamers are the only ones that have any right to complain even though it's more Sony's fault not wanting to invest there money like MS does.
It's simple really, you think what your getting is what you deserve to get (for free)... when it's not, and you think want MS is getting for Xbox is not deserved because they payed for. Therefor further debating with you would be rather pointless and will get us nowhere.
I can't debate when logic fails...sorry.
It's simple really, you think what your getting is what you deserve to get (for free)... when it's not, and you think want MS is getting for Xbox is not deserved because they payed for. Therefor further debating with you would be rather pointless and will get us nowhere.
I can't debate when logic fails...sorry.
Okay, well, you're good fortune of being able to buy 2 copies of the game and have best of both worlds aside...I only take issue with the last to paragraphs (if you can call them that). My logic does not fail. Your understanding of my logic fails. I'll try my best here.
If I am going to pay money for a product, I am likely to have expectations about what that product is. If I go to McDonald's and order and Hamburger, I expect the patty to be made of beef, not rat. I might still buy the rat burger, but if McD's tried to sell me a rat burger for a hamburger (which implies beef) price, I wouldn't buy their burger. I'd go somewhere else. And, since McD's has always sold me beef patties before, I expect that when I walk into McD's and order a hamburger, I am gana get a beef patty and not something else. I don't need to ask to see the ingredient's list. I don't ask every time I go in if they are still serving beef patties. I expect they are cause they always have been in the past and they haven't said or done anything to indicate a change. Now, if they were gana give me a burger for free, I don't think I'd ask too many questions (so long as I didn't get ill from eating it). But since I am paying, I get to make expectations about the product and I get to have what I am expecting, or I get to go elsewhere to get what I want. That is how the free market works.
This is EXACTLY the same principle I am applying here. When Bethesda says "We are making a new Elder Scrolls game and you will have to pay for it," I expect certain things. I expect that it will be an RPG. I expect that it will have a leveling system based on skill usage and not EXP. I expect it will be in the first person perspective (mostly). I expect it will have some form of magic and crafting (read alchemy mostly, although smithing was an awesome addition). I expect it will be set in the same world as Arena, Daggerfall, Morrowind, and Oblivion. I expect it will not make wild changes to the stories laid out in those games (no sudden alien invasions in round saucers, for instance). I also expect cutting edge graphics. I also expect a CK. I expect a LOT of things, because they said it was a new Elder Scrolls game. I do not see how expecting a CK or high rez graphics is ANY different than expecting ANY of those other things.
Now, Bethesda is in no way obligated to fulfill ANY of those expectations. ES6 could be set in modern day New York, if they decided that was how it was gana be. And I would have no right to make them change it. I WOULD however, have a right NOT to give them money. And if they said ES6 was going to be just like all the other ES games, and THEN set it in modern day New York, I would have a right to be REALLY REALLY angry.
Therefore, if they left out the CK, I would have a right not to give them money. If, before release, they told me there was going to be a CK, and then there never was, I would have a right to be REALLY REALLY angry. These two examples are identical.
Would I have a right to sue them or seek monetary compensation? Probably not. But I would have a right to be angry and not give them any more money.
So there is the first half of your sentence. As for the Xbox/Microsoft bit, I totally think that if Microsoft wants to give Bethesda enough money, and Bethesda doesn't mind forever alienating parts of their customer base, then Microsoft has the rights to ask for ANYTHING they want. Heck if Microsoft gave Bethesda enough money to theoretically cover all the lost sales on PS3 and PC, and Bethesda was cool with it, then Bethesda/Microsoft would have the right to make the ES series an Xbox only title. And there is not a single legal thing I or any of the other pissed off customers could do about it. HOWEVER, we would TOTALLY have a right to get mad. And we would totally have a right to not give Bethesda any of our money for other Bethesda products.
So yes, I want things from a product if I am going to pay for it. Yes, my expectations for those things are based on previous experiences with that product line. This is TOTALLY normal.
( hopefully, in a permanent way)
