[meghan lock]

What's all this complaining about, I own both (PC and Xbox 360)... and I still say your not entitled to anything. BS has catered to the PC gamers enough, your mad because now there catering to someone else, rather if you want to admit it or not... its the elite PC attitude. Second, you don't have a very good understanding of what can be done on a console I'm afraid, even if they choose not to do it. Sony actually has allowed modding in the past which I can prove.

Firstly, I never said I was entitled to anything. But then again, neither are the Xbox players. So they shouldn't expect that just cause Microsoft has the biggest wallet (and the PC community has NO wallet, cause really, who is gana pay Bethesda to get PC exclusivity? No one owns us, so no one to pay for us to get stuff, but then again...we aren't owned).

Secondly, I said I was a PC elitist. I just said this issue was not about elitism. If I was a PS3 customer, I would be JUST as mad (if not madder, those poor guys have got such a bum deal). This issue is about treating ALL your customers as equals (that is to say, fairly) and not having a "favorite son" so as to make your other customers feel like you just don't care about them. This issue is about Bethesda valuing ALL their customers, not just some of them.

Thirdly, I specifically said Xbox/PS3 COULD run/use the modding software. And no where did I say that the companies NEVER let their customers use modding software. What I said was that in this instance, the reason that Skyrim Xbox/PS3 people don't have the creation kit has nothing to do with Bethesda or the PC community, and has everything to do with Microsoft and Sony. This IS a fact.

And lastly, please refer to my above post, I believe the very first part of my first reply sums up how I feel about ANY Xbox/PS3 user complaining about PC users complaining about the exclusivity. It's hypocritical.

I agree with your sentiment, but let's face it, when we see the juicy DLC details, we'll lap it all up and ask for seconds.

I will be lapping up the details...I just won't be paying a dime for DLC with exclusivity attached. And if you love your PC and want to see more PC stuff, you won't either. If, on the other hand, you are like most people and compalin about something (Mass Effect 3 ending/lack of "real" choice, say) but then eat up everything the company produces (DLC, for instance), then the company is going to have NO reason to listen to your complaining and will keep doing things however they see fit (read last like "however they will make the most money, regardless of who they piss off in the process).

[chloe hampson]

they shouldn't expect that just cause Microsoft has the biggest wallet (and the PC community has NO wallet, cause really, who is gana pay Bethesda to get PC exclusivity? No one owns us, so no one to pay for us to get stuff, but then again...we aren't owned).

Windows much? Microsoft owns the PC industry too chum.

[elliot mudd]

Firstly, I never said I was entitled to anything. But then again, neither are the Xbox players. So they shouldn't expect that just cause Microsoft has the biggest wallet (and the PC community has NO wallet, cause really, who is gana pay Bethesda to get PC exclusivity? No one owns us, so no one to pay for us to get stuff, but then again...we aren't owned).

First you have steam, second lets change this around & put the shoe on the other foot... lets say that Xbox had mods, PC had exclusive DLC for 30 days (no mods). You would fight for Xbox and PS3 to get the DLC, and not be mad about having no mods. Don't think so.

Secondly, I said I was a PC elitist. I just said this issue was not about elitism. If I was a PS3 customer, I would be JUST as mad (if not madder, those poor guys have got such a bum deal). This issue is about treating ALL your customers as equals (that is to say, fairly) and not having a "favorite son" so as to make your other customers feel like you just don't care about them. This issue is about Bethesda valuing ALL their customers, not just some of them.

Clearly if they didn't value there PC customers you wouldn't have that creation kit they spent so much extra time working on for modding or the High texture pack...face it BS has done a lot for it's PC customers, they didn't have to do any of that or do it for free. PS3 players are the only ones that have any right to complain.

Thirdly, I specifically said Xbox/PS3 COULD run/use the modding software. And no where did I say that the companies NEVER let their customers use modding software. What I said was that in this instance, the reason that Skyrim Xbox/PS3 people don't have the creation kit has nothing to do with Bethesda or the PC community, and has everything to do with Microsoft and Sony. This IS a fact.

If BS wanted to they could do this, clearly it would take some extra work... and they would have to work out something with MS because MS likes to approve everything... but to say it has NOTHING to do with them is not actually true.

And lastly, please refer to my above post, I believe the very first part of my first reply sums up how I feel about ANY Xbox/PS3 user complaining about PC users complaining about the exclusivity. It's hypocritical.

It's hypocritical that you feel entitled to something that BS has no obligation to give to you... okay. Clearly if you feel so strong about it and you fail to consider what BS has actually done for YOU... then you are being entitled.

[Tom Flanagan]

I will be lapping up the details...I just won't be paying a dime for DLC with exclusivity attached. And if you love your PC and want to see more PC stuff, you won't either. If, on the other hand, you are like most people and compalin about something (Mass Effect 3 ending/lack of "real" choice, say) but then eat up everything the company produces (DLC, for instance), then the company is going to have NO reason to listen to your complaining and will keep doing things however they see fit (read last like "however they will make the most money, regardless of who they piss off in the process).

I know it would be the right thing to do, but Beth owns me . The reason I'm not really angry is because of their excellent, ongoing support of the modding community. svcks to be a PS3 user though. They truly are the red-headed stepchild of Skyrim gamers.

[Melanie]

Windows much? Microsoft owns the PC industry too chum.

Not really. They own the operating system part of it (although that is quickly changing, for gaming at least, thanks, again to indie developers), but they certainly don't own anything related to gaming. Games for Windows Live is a joke (and a very bad one at that), and their support of the PC gaming community is basically non-existent (thanks, almost entirely, to the Xbox being "competition.")

I know it would be the right thing to do, but Beth owns me . The reason I'm not really angry is because of their excellent, ongoing support of the modding community. svcks to be a PS3 user though. They truly are the red-headed stepchild of Skyrim gamers.

I feel bad for the PS3 peoples too lol. And while I cannot fault people for loving Bethesda's products (they make a super fun game), I have to at least try to get people to wake up and "do the right thing" when it comes to supporting a company that isn't very PC-friendly anymore.

First you have steam, second lets change this around & put the shoe on the other foot... lets say that Xbox had mods, PC had exclusive DLC for 30 days (no mods). You would fight for Xbox and PS3 to get the DLC, and not be mad about having no mods. Don't think so.

You're right, to an extent. If I "put the shoe on the other foot," so to speak, I would be totally pissed I didn't get mod support. And I would be really vocal about it. But I WOULDN'T begrudge the PS3/Xbox people being vocally pissed about me getting exclusivity. It isn't the fact that Xbox people are mad about modding stuff. They SHOULD be mad (just not at Bethesda). They have every right to be so, and every right to be vocal about it. But the PC community has just as much right to be mad and vocal about exclusivity. And the Xbox people shouldn't get all upset that the PC people are mad. That's the issue you're missing.

And as for the Steam thing, I have no idea what that has to do with anything.

Clearly if they didn't value there PC customers you wouldn't have that creation kit they spent so much extra time working on for modding or the High texture pack...face it BS has done a lot for it's PC customers, they didn't have to do any of that or do it for free. PS3 players are the only ones that have any right to complain.

PS3 customers have a right to complain MORE. The fact that Xbox (to a small extent) and PC (to a bigger extent) have received nice things does not mean that they don't have things to complain about too. Just because you aren't being treated like you have the plague doesn't mean you shouldn't be upset that you're getting the cold shoulder.

And as for things like the CK kit, this is something that Bethesda has a track record of doing. The PC community expects it as part of the package. I didn't pay 60 bucks to get Skyrim. I payed 60 bucks to get Skyrim AND the CK kit. If the CK kit wasn't ever going to be released, I probably would not have "bought" the game in the first place. This is a customer expectation, but it is one that we, as PC users, have come to expect based on Bethesda's prior actions. They set president, and if they stopped following thru, they would lose the large majority of their PC customers. So giving a CK kit to the PC audience wasn't them being nice, it was them making sure the PC audience would buy their game at all. You can argue we shouldn't expect things like that, but I will argue back that if we allow any company, gaming companies included, to give us less and less for the same price, we will eventually get little to nothing at all. This is the reason we now have $10 USD DLC that adds 3 hours of content instead of $30 USD expansion packs that added 40 hours of content. We let them get away with giving us less, we still payed the same (or more), and so they did it.

And as for the High Rez texture pack, any PC game worth over $30 bucks better have a High Rez texture pack. That is part of the deal. Would you pay 60 bucks for a new Xbox 360 game that looked like an Original Xbox game? I don't think so. I shouldn't have to pay $60 bucks for PC game from late 2011 that looks like a PC game from 2006. And as for why Xbox 360 and PS3 people don't get High Rez, it's simple. Those machines couldn't handle High Rez. Many PCs cannot handle it. It's sad, but true.

If BS wanted to they could do this, clearly it would take some extra work... and they would have to work out something with MS because MS likes to approve everything... but to say it has NOTHING to do with them is not actually true.

So you honestly believe that Microsoft would allow user to make all the content they wanted, for free? They can charge for DLC...they would make little to no money on the CK. Why would they EVER allow that? Name me a single Triple A title on the Xbox or Xbox 360 that has ever had full mod support? You can't do it.

It's hypocritical that you feel entitled to something that BS has no obligation to give to you... okay. Clearly if you feel so strong about it and you fail to consider what BS has actually done for YOU... then you are being entitled.

I do not feel entitled to exclusivity. I feel entitled to not being treated as a second-class customer. If I payed less to play, if my DLC was free or cheaper than yours, sure, I could see Bethesda making me wait. But it isn't. It's the same price as yours, and my game cost the same as yours. Therefore, I should be treated the same as you.

On the flip side, YOU payed the same as me. YOUR DLC will cost the same as mine. YOU should be treated the same as me. Therefore, YOU should have modding capabilities. I fully support you not buying Bethesda products until you get modding. And I fully support you being pissed and vocal until you get full modding. You should treat me the same way when it comes to exclusivity.

EDIT: had a "special moment" there and wrote that Skyrim was a 2012 game...it is now fixed...lol

[Cathrine Jack]

You're right, to an extent. If I "put the shoe on the other foot," so to speak, I would be totally pissed I didn't get mod support. And I would be really vocal about it. But I WOULDN'T begrudge the PS3/Xbox people being vocally pissed about me getting exclusivity. It isn't the fact that Xbox people are mad about modding stuff. They SHOULD be mad (just not at Bethesda). They have every right to be so, and every right to be vocal about it. But the PC community has just as much right to be mad and vocal about exclusivity. And the Xbox people shouldn't get all upset that the PC people are mad. That's the issue you're missing.

And as for the Steam thing, I have no idea what that has to do with anything.

So say it wasn't about DLC, say it was another really cool feature that everyone wanted... and only Xbox got it or got it for a limited time. Would you be mad then? See I think issue here is you can't see a world were Xbox gets something that PC doesn't, is has little to do with the actual exclusive DLC. To which we go back to the PC elite attitude.

As far as steam, ES 5 and likely the ones to come later will be on steam... you could ask steam to buy exclusive DLC for PC. In which more people may by the game on PC getting more sales for Steam. Just like MS does on Xbox vs PS3.

PS3 customers have a right to complain MORE. The fact that Xbox (to a small extent) and PC (to a bigger extent) have received nice things does not mean that they don't have things to complain about too. Just because you aren't being treated like you have the plague doesn't mean you shouldn't be upset that you're getting the cold shoulder.

Sure it does, your getting something that makes your choice of system unique compared to everyone else... same thing MS is doing for Xbox. Your calling the kettle black.

And as for things like the CK kit, this is something that Bethesda has a track record of doing. The PC community expects it as part of the package. I didn't pay 60 bucks to get Skyrim. I payed 60 bucks to get Skyrim AND the CK kit. If the CK kit wasn't ever going to be released, I probably would not have "bought" the game in the first place. This is a customer expectation, but it is one that we, as PC users, have come to expect based on Bethesda's prior actions. They set president, and if they stopped following thru, they would lose the large majority of their PC customers. So giving a CK kit to the PC audience wasn't them being nice, it was them making sure the PC audience would buy their game at all. You can argue we shouldn't expect things like that, but I will argue back that if we allow any company, gaming companies included, to give us less and less for the same price, we will eventually get little to nothing at all. This is the reason we now have $10 USD DLC that adds 3 hours of content instead of $30 USD expansion packs that added 40 hours of content. We let them get away with giving us less, we still payed the same (or more), and so they did it.

They still don't have to do it... it's not part of the original package even if you think it is. There have been other companies that offered something like modding or a cheat console then dropped it future games. Total War comes to mind.

And as for the High Rez texture pack, any PC game worth over $30 bucks better have a High Rez texture pack. That is part of the deal. Would you pay 60 bucks for a new Xbox 360 game that looked like an Original Xbox game? I don't think so. I shouldn't have to pay $60 bucks for PC game from late 2011 that looks like a PC game from 2006. And as for why Xbox 360 and PS3 people don't get High Rez, it's simple. Those machines couldn't handle High Rez. Many PCs cannot handle it. It's sad, but true.

It's not part of the deal, you paid $60 for Skyrim & you got Skyrim... same as Xbox and PS3... the rest is icing on the cake to which you now feel entitled to clearly by what you have just said. They don't "have" to do it.

So you honestly believe that Microsoft would allow user to make all the content they wanted, for free? They can charge for DLC...they would make little to no money on the CK. Why would they EVER allow that? Name me a single Triple A title on the Xbox or Xbox 360 that has ever had full mod support? You can't do it.

The main issue with microsoft is they want to authorize everything that is put on the console to make sure the console can take it, which would cause more work for them and BS to add mods. What I meant was that they would have to make a deal to either add the cost into gold for the feature (like what is on steam) or a seperate cost or allow unathorized mods to run with a disclaimer. They would need to make a deal.

CK would be on the PC, Xbox and PS3 would simply use mods created by the PC gamers...

I do not feel entitled to exclusivity. I feel entitled to not being treated as a second-class customer. If I payed less to play, if my DLC was free or cheaper than yours, sure, I could see Bethesda making me wait. But it isn't. It's the same price as yours, and my game cost the same as yours. Therefore, I should be treated the same as you.

On the flip side, YOU payed the same as me. YOUR DLC will cost the same as mine. YOU should be treated the same as me. Therefore, YOU should have modding capabilities. I fully support you not buying Bethesda products until you get modding. And I fully support you being pissed and vocal until you get full modding. You should treat me the same way when it comes to exclusivity.

EDIT: had a "special moment" there and wrote that Skyrim was a 2012 game...it is now fixed...lol

Actually I paid more than you since I bought the game twice, but still... your completely ignoring the benefits BS has given you just because you want something that your not getting at the same time as the inferior console. I'm not going to debate you, I'm not trying to get dragged down to your level.

[Richard Thompson]

Not really. They own the operating system part of it (although that is quickly changing, for gaming at least, thanks, again to indie developers), but they certainly don't own anything related to gaming. Games for Windows Live is a joke (and a very bad one at that), and their support of the PC gaming community is basically non-existent (thanks, almost entirely, to the Xbox being "competition.")

Well as soon as you show me a video of someone playing Skyrim on a PC using anything other than Windows, I'll agree that Microsoft doesn't control PC gaming.

[Izzy Coleman]

What's all this complaining about, I own both (PC and Xbox 360)... and I still say your not entitled to anything. BS has catered to the PC gamers enough, your mad because now there catering to someone else, rather if you want to admit it or not... its the elite PC attitude. Second, you don't have a very good understanding of what can be done on a console I'm afraid, even if they choose not to do it. Sony actually has allowed modding in the past which I can prove.

Right, I'm not complaining either. I own a console... my laptop (my former gaming machine) would not be able to handle Skyrim, but it does handle Oblivion quite well. It's just a matter of fact that there is more longevity with the PC version of any game. I own the Xbox and DLC is DLC, I'll get it when it comes out but I'm still consumed with the regular game right now. I don't mind that PC players have all the mods, I used to be one of them. It makes me happy for them. It is truly awesome. I'm happy for myself right now because the Xbox currently suits my needs (I don't have as much time as I used to). We're all happy... or at least we should be. Just play the awesome game you have and be happy with it.

[Sudah mati ini Keparat]

Guys,Guys.
Not skyrim DLC they could at least told us that it isnt skyrim expansionstuff.so we wont get dissapointed and sad

[Amanda Leis]

So say it wasn't about DLC, say it was another really cool feature that everyone wanted... and only Xbox got it or got it for a limited time. Would you be mad then? See I think issue here is you can't see a world were Xbox gets something that PC doesn't, is has little to do with the actual exclusive DLC. To which we go back to the PC elite attitude.

As far as steam, ES 5 and likely the ones to come later will be on steam... you could ask steam to buy exclusive DLC for PC. In which more people may by the game on PC getting more sales for Steam. Just like MS does on Xbox vs PS3.

Yes. I would be mad if Xbox (or PS3) got anything special or extra. And Xbox and PS3 customers should be mad that PC people get things they don't. This isn't a supply dependent commodity. It isn't like the "run out" of DLC or CKs. They COULD give it to everyone at the same time. Just like they COULD give everyone full modding capabilities. But they don't. And THAT is the problem. PC people should get mad that Xbox people get exclusivity. Xbox people should get mad that PC people get modding. PS3 people should probably just get mad. We should all get vocal. But not at each other...at Bethesda/Sony/Microsoft. Xbox people have every right to be really really angry that they don't get modding. They have every right to tell Bethesda and Microsoft how mad they are. And if they mean it, they have every right not to buy any more Bethesda/Microsoft products until they get modding support. By that same token, PC people have the same set of "rights" when it comes to exclusivity. This isn't about the "he has a cookie so I want an ice cream" sort of debate, this is about the "he has a cookie so I want one too" sort of debate. If we all got everything, we would all be happy. The only people that are happy that modding is PC exclusive or that DLC is Xbox exclusive for the first 30 days are trolls and jerks. I, as a PC elitist, want you, as an Xbox player, to have modding. Can't you also want me to have the DLC at the same time as you?

And as for Steam, Steam does not "own" PC gaming. Sure, they could shell out the money to get DLC exclusivity, but they would be shelling it out for ALL PC users, not just their clients. Well, I guess technically they could just do it for their users, but man, you would see a drastic drop in how much business they got. The PC community doesn't like Valve cause we have to, we like Valve cause they are (generally) pretty awesome. If they stopped being pretty awesome, we'd stop liking them, and go with one of the dozen or so other digital distribution services out there. If Xbox players stop liking Xbox, they can stop buying Xbox products. They don't have another choice (and that is unfortunate).

Sure it does, your getting something that makes your choice of system unique compared to everyone else... same thing MS is doing for Xbox. Your calling the kettle black.

I do not want "something that makes my choice of system unique." I want Xbox users to get the modding too. And if I was an Xbox user, I wouldn't buy the game (or, if that was an already made decision, wouldn't give Bethesda OR Microsoft more money) until I got what the PC people got.

You are trying to turn this into a "Us vs. Them" thing. I am trying to say that we are all gamers, and we should all get treated equally. Xbox should get modding, PC should get DLC at the same time as Xbox, and PS3 should get both. Why is that so hard to agree with? If anyone can't agree that we should all get everything and be equal, then they are being incredibly selfish and mean.

They still don't have to do it... it's not part of the original package even if you think it is. There have been other companies that offered something like modding or a cheat console then dropped it future games. Total War comes to mind.

Yes, they don't have to give us CK. They don't have to give it to anyone. But considering their past conduct, if Bethesda didn't give the PC a CK, they could expect a drastic drop in sales. This isn't about what PC gamers want (a CK kit) so much as what Bethesda wants (money from PC gamers). If Bethesda doesn't give PC gamers a CK kit, then less PC gamers will buy their product (probably a LOT less). Bethesda doesn't want that. They want PC gamers money. So they are going to give us a CK kit. And while PC gamers have no right to expect it from them, they can be pretty sure they are gana get it, because PC gamers know that Bethesda wants out money. Now, if Xbox and PS3 users started demanding equal treatment or else no money, Bethesda might listen. Maybe not for Skyrim, but maybe for the next game. But the difference is that more Xbox and PS3 gamers don't care about CK than do, and the situation is reversed on PC.

It's not part of the deal, you paid $60 for Skyrim & you got Skyrim... same as Xbox and PS3... the rest is icing on the cake to which you now feel entitled to clearly by what you have just said. They don't "have" to do it.

I would not pay full price for a game that does not deserve full price. Before launch, the PC community was told we would get High Rez textures. I bought the game with this knowledge in mind. If they had said there was no way PC gamers were going to get High Rez textures, I would have laughed and gone back to playing one of the total conversion mods for Oblivion. They don't have to do it. But just like in the last part, if they didn't do it, PC gamers would not buy their product. This is the truth. If you don't believe me, look at Halo 1 and 2. They sold like hotcakes on Xbox, they sold like a pile of vomit on PC...why? Because Microsoft was trying to charge full price for a game that looked like it came out 4 years prior (cause they did).

This is the big difference between console gamers and PC gamers, and it is also the reason that people like me are PC gamer elitists (and proud of it). On PC, we expect a quality product for a fair price. Most (not all) console gamers will take whatever new Random Military Game (with multiplayer) edition 37 they can get and pay and arm and a leg for it. PC gamers don't generally buy bad games. Console games have entire rows at brick and mortar stores dedicated to bad (read budget) games. **quick note, Skyrim is NOT one of these bad games. Just wanted to make that clear**

The main issue with microsoft is they want to authorize everything that is put on the console to make sure the console can take it, which would cause more work for them and BS to add mods. What I meant was that they would have to make a deal to either add the cost into gold for the feature (like what is on steam) or a seperate cost or allow unathorized mods to run with a disclaimer. They would need to make a deal.

CK would be on the PC, Xbox and PS3 would simply use mods created by the PC gamers...

Yes, I could see them adding it into the gold membership level (maybe). However, you would still be paying for something we get for free (there is no cost to use Steam or Steam Workshop, and you do not need to have bought Skyrim from Steam to use the Workshop, nor do you need to use the Workshop to get mods). And that would be unfair. And Xbox users would have a right to be mad that their modding required them to have a paid subscription where as PC users got it for free. It would certainly be better than nothing, but still.

Also, it should be noted...I am ALL for Xbox and PS3 users getting PC created mods. Heck, I am all for you guys making mods on the PS3 and Xbox that I can download on my PC. More people with access to the modding tools = more mods = more awesome.

I think this is the point you are missing...YOU feel that Xbox (and PS3 to a lesser extent) users are being treated unfairly (no modding). So your solution to this is to treat the PC people unfairly (late DLC). I agree with you on the first part. Xbox (and PS3 to a greater extent) user ARE being treated unfairly. But my solution is to give you modding!!!! Wouldn't you rather give me the DLC at the same time as you AND get modding, thereby making BOTH of us happy? Or would you rather we were just both unhappy?

I'm not going to debate you, I'm not trying to get dragged down to your level.

This is how people bow out gracefully from a disagreement or discussion. My "level" is about making sure everyone is equally happy. Your "level" is making sure everyone is unequally dissatisfied.

On lighter news...

Well as soon as you show me a video of someone playing Skyrim on a PC using anything other than Windows, I'll agree that Microsoft doesn't control PC gaming.

Well, that I cannot do, but there are plenty of awesome titles (like I said, mostly coming out of the "indie" scene) that work on multiple platforms (and, technically, a REALLY beefy machine could play it on Linux using Wine, but yeah, that machine would have to an uber beast). I am not saying that Microsoft doesn't have a very very strong hold on the gaming market, I am just saying they don't own us.

[Louise Andrew]

To say that Microsoft doesn't Control PC gaming is like saying the Pope doesn't control Catholicism.

[amhain]

To say that Microsoft doesn't Control PC gaming is like saying the Pope doesn't control Catholicism.

With the advent of in-browser games (some of which are quite technically advanced) and "indie" devs who develop for linux and mac WHILE doing their windows developing, the time of 100% dominance of Microsoft over the PC gaming industry has passed. Microsoft will forever remain an important part of PC gaming. But they have gone from the Pope, to your local Priest (where they are now) and they are headed to "Elderly Lady who never misses Mass and everyone respects, sorta" status in the next 3-5 years.

EDIT: The above mentioned developments are on top of (and unrelated to) Linux based Windows emulation software getting better all the time.

Double Edit: And then there is On-Live, which is already steaming PC games (at Xbox 360 level quality) straight to your TV without you ever having bought a single piece of Microsoft software ever.

[WTW]

i don't care about this argument at all but

To say that Microsoft doesn't Control PC gaming is like saying the Pope doesn't control Catholicism.

it stupid and patently false. just because Windows is the biggest platform for PC gaming doesn't mean Microsoft controls anything about PC gaming. if they did Steam wouldn't be a thing.

[Terry]

"Unofficial DLC Discussion"

Why is this a console war?

[Luis Longoria]

I think this is the point you are missing...YOU feel that Xbox (and PS3 to a lesser extent) users are being treated unfairly (no modding). So your solution to this is to treat the PC people unfairly (late DLC).

This is the only thing worth responding too... how? I own the PC copy... I can mod all I want. I don't think Xbox gamers are being treated unfairly because of modding... otherwise I wouldn't have bought the PC version. I do however believe PC gamers are getting a fair deal when compared to Xbox getting timed exclusive DLC because they already get so much and you shouldn't be complaining when your getting a fair deal. As I said PS3 gamers are the only ones that have any right to complain even though it's more Sony's fault not wanting to invest there money like MS does.

It's simple really, you think what your getting is what you deserve to get (for free)... when it's not, and you think want MS is getting for Xbox is not deserved because they payed for. Therefor further debating with you would be rather pointless and will get us nowhere.

I can't debate when logic fails...sorry.

[Sheeva]

Thats it. Im done waiting. Skyrim is the only game i play. Im not interested in Diablo whatever.
Im taking matters into my own hands; im making my own DLC.

Now to figure out how to mod on xbox.....

[Queen Bitch]

To say that Microsoft doesn't Control PC gaming is like saying the Pope doesn't control Catholicism.

Actually... er... em... the Pope doesn't control Catholicism. Suggestion: don't bring religion into the threads to make bad anologies based off of lack of knowledge.

That said, if your anology was a good one, and the Pope did control Catholicism, then I'd agree with you.

[Marquis T]

Thats it. Im done waiting. Skyrim is the only game i play. Im not interested in Diablo whatever.
Im taking matters into my own hands; im making my own DLC.

Now to figure out how to mod on xbox.....

Shhh... you're peeing all over DragonDei's parade.

[luis dejesus]

Thats it. Im done waiting. Skyrim is the only game i play. Im not interested in Diablo whatever.
Im taking matters into my own hands; im making my own DLC.

Now to figure out how to mod on xbox.....

Or you could just buy Dragon's Dogma in a month like I'm going to.

Would be nice to get some DLC news though, a simple teaser screenshot of an environment, a new weapon maybe, just something to stop the clawing at the door.

[Matt Fletcher]

This is the only thing worth responding too... how? I own the PC copy... I can mod all I want. I don't think Xbox gamers are being treated unfairly because of modding... otherwise I wouldn't have bought the PC version. I do however believe PC gamers are getting a fair deal when compared to Xbox getting timed exclusive DLC because they already get so much and you shouldn't be complaining when your getting a fair deal. As I said PS3 gamers are the only ones that have any right to complain even though it's more Sony's fault not wanting to invest there money like MS does.

It's simple really, you think what your getting is what you deserve to get (for free)... when it's not, and you think want MS is getting for Xbox is not deserved because they payed for. Therefor further debating with you would be rather pointless and will get us nowhere.

I can't debate when logic fails...sorry.

Yep. There's a thing called complaining for the sake of complaining. Once he's dived in, pulling out would nick his pride.

[Amysaurusrex]

I liked the part where we talked about the DLC.

[Benjamin Holz]

All this rage and the teaser wasn't even Skyrim-related.

Guys, take a break from Skyrim for a bit. Play Dark Souls, go on a trip to France, get arrested for public nudity, fistfight a bear. The more you dwell on DLC (or the lack thereof) the longer it'll take to get here.

[Andrea P]

All this rage and the teaser wasn't even Skyrim-related.

Guys, take a break from Skyrim for a bit. Play Dark Souls, go on a trip to France, get arrested for public nudity, fistfight a bear. The more you dwell on DLC (or the lack thereof) the longer it'll take to get here.

No thanks,I Dont like dark souls that much,Maybe i will play morrowind,daggerfall,arena or even oblivion, Or skyrim like i always do

[ZzZz]

All this rage and the teaser wasn't even Skyrim-related.

Guys, take a break from Skyrim for a bit. Play Dark Souls, go on a trip to France, get arrested for public nudity, fistfight a bear. The more you dwell on DLC (or the lack thereof) the longer it'll take to get here.

and by the time we get out of French jail, DLC might be announced!

[Big Homie]

Wait, people are actually defending the MS exclusivity move? Really? MS didn't pay for Xbox players to get DLC early, they paid for everyone else to get it later. Obviously, Bethesda considered whatever amount of money it is that MS offered worth pissing off a large chunk of its customers.