[Eilidh Brian]

Exactly, this is nothing new either. Microsoft has been buying off developers to get DLC early for quite some time now, you'd think people would understand the concept and be used to it by now.

Interestingly, if this were true and if so many people realized it, you'd think that they'd all be buying Xbox's right now. But since they aren't, it must just mean that they are haters and have to reduce everything into conspiracy theories rather than admit Sony does absolutely nothing for their customers. I'm no fan of Microsoft, but business is business. If they are willing to pay to make their customers happy and Sony is not, I wonder why so many Sony fans stand by their man.

[Jonny]

[img]http://skyrim.jpn.org/images/68/6891.jpg[/img]

[Vera Maslar]

Well, thank Microsoft and all the blathering [censored] that worship them because they can do no wrong. Microsoft just throws money at people. That's their strategy. It's certainly not making a quality system or standing by your customers that complained about the RRoD for THREE years and MS blatantly denied there was an issue at all only to turn around and--yep, you guessed it--throw a one billion dollar plan out there because GOSH all those "crazy" people complaining about their RRoD were actually telling the truth. Imagine that?

And people like this company?

It's this talk that I don't understand. Sony has just as much money as Microsoft. They've been raking it in with all of their multi-media products for decades (they've always been considered the elite multi-media company since I've been old enough to care) and have had 3 generations of PlayStation as compared to Microsoft's 2 of Xbox. They owned the console market at one time. The fact that they aren't willing to go toe-to-toe with Microsoft to get their loyal customers what they want even though they most certainly have the cash should make Sony fans more upset with Sony than Microsoft. Of course, if Microsoft wants to beat out their competitor by increasing demand for their units over that of their competitors, isn't the smart thing to do is to offer suppliers more money to give them the goods over the competitor? That's classic business/economics. What do you want? Logically, this should acutally put pressure on Sony to do the same thing... but they don't. And you know why? Because thier fans spend all day crying that Microsoft treats their customers better and the gaming industry likes them better (because they're actually willing to shell out the cash to "win") on forums instead of telling Sony, "I want to see the same love. What have you done for me lately, Eddie?" and forcing them to compete.

[Vivien]

Your point is already made. SONY was ruling the console scene when Microsoft broke in, in order for them to get ahead, of course they had to buy in to get a share. Beth (*cough* Todd Howard), being the [censored] that she is, went for top dollar because that's what it's all about.

[saharen beauty]

OK guys let's keep on the subject of the DLC rather than console wars, please.

[D LOpez]

Bethesda have done some great things with Skyrim and I enjoy playing it enormously.

However, I fail to see their logic in the way they are alienating their loyal PC users and modders by claiming DLC content will be Xbox exclusive. It is thanks to those modders that Beth's games are so popular and long-lived, yet it feels like they're thumbing their collective nose at the PC players/modders by making this content unavailable, even if we get it eventually. Why not just make it available to everyone all at the same time? We PC players bought your game, so why exclude us all of a sudden?

To me it just seems like a bad marketing decision, not a good one. Excluding one group of faithfuls for the sake of another. Not logical. Not right.

Sorry if I'm raking up something already discussed. I don't post here very often, but this annoyed me enough to make me want to stand up and question this.

Seriously, PC guys should never feel left out. Long after the last DLC, PC modders will keep working and making Skyrim way better than it will ever be on a console. You know this... look at Morrowind and Oblivion on the PC. There is no reason for PC guys to complain at all... they are on the superior platform and always will be. Now, PS3 guys, yeah, they have more justification. It's just unfortunate that they are directing their scathing complaints at everyone in the room while ignoring the massive elephant standing square in the center with the letters S-O-N-Y painted across its back.

[Samantha hulme]

Your point is already made. SONY was ruling the console scene when Microsoft broke in, in order for them to get ahead, of course they had to buy in to get a share. Beth (*cough* Todd Howard), being the [censored] that she is, went for top dollar because that's what it's all about.

No, because he's a running a business, dude. I want to say something like, "put yourself in his shoes", but I'm afraid something like that would be impossible for you to understand right now. Listen to you. You're blaming Bethesda, Todd Howard (a guy you've never met), Microsoft, Bill Gate's great aunt, that annoying clerk at 7-11, etc. In your rage, you're blaming everyone but the one company that you've given your blood loyalty to. The only one who didn't go after Howard, Bethesda, and the rest of the gaming industry on your behalf: Sony.

[michael danso]

OK guys let's keep on the subject of the DLC rather than console wars, please.

That was my last post on it. I'm not trying to cause a console war. I actually think PS3 has better hardware than the Xbox... I just don't think it ever gets utilized aside from exclusives. And I'm just trying to talk sense.

[Spooky Angel]

Bill didn't build my PC, I did.

Todd Howard is a visionless knob.

SONY? Who cares. Or any console for that matter? I couldn't care less.

Getting back to OP, whatever that pic is, they appear to have worked out how refracting light works and ironed out the LEGO shadows. Fallout 4? Cool. Unless it's still using the same lame engine, in which case, boo.

Seriously, Oblivion was released in 2006 and we have plenty of left-over code that still exists from it in Skyrim. What a joke.

[Sierra Ritsuka]

If it is skyrim dlc, is it just an announcment & trailer for a later date? Or actual dlc live tomorrow? Doesn't dlc come out Tuesday's? Any way excited, then probably disappointed...

[Emily Jones]

My DLC wish: Journey to Akavir and discover the origins of the dragons.

[Dewayne Quattlebaum]

Yup, a timed exclusive. Just like it was for New Vegas. Only with Skyrim it's only the first, not all (IIRC).

How i wish i could that paranoia

If half of what I hear about PS4 and Xbox Next is true, the industry is headed to a second crash real soon. After that, indie developers and possibly one or two online distributor will survive for PC/Macs.

Back on topic, the picture could be well from a new Skyrim trailer but something in it (or, rather, something missing) makes me think it will be related to another game.

[chinadoll]

My DLC wish: Journey to Akavir and discover the origins of the dragons.

We know the origin of the dragons - they came from Akatosh.

[Prue]

If it isn't DLC then i will hurt something.

[Leanne Molloy]

The PC version gets so much more than the consoles... and the PC crowd still finds something to complain about just because MS payed for something that last 30 days. Unbelievable, but believe it or not, nobody is entitled to anything.

[Louise Lowe]

As an avid fan of the Elder Scrolls series I believe I have a few septims to drop in the proverbial treasure chest in regards to DLC for the XBox 360.

- Lots of different types of weapons and armor from several of the past games and perhaps even a few sets seen in player created mods as a reward of sorts for creativity or sheer beauty. This would give console players a chance to see the best of what the PC community has to offer, and also give the developers an edge on adding mass amounts of content for the console community. It would also be nice if the look of existing armor would change based on the preferences of the player via a dye system to add a customizable feel to the existing armor. Who wouldnt want a jet black and crimson suit of dragon plate armor?

- New landscapes to explore such as Cyrodiil, Hammerfell, High Rock, or Morrowind as well as the ability to travel to places such as the imperial city or other notable locations in the series for quests AND to explore these places in full. It would add an element of sheer grandeur to the game itself to be able to explore other territories as well as give players a reason to go back and check out previous elder scrolls games to learn more about them.

- New lore and stories to add greater depth to the game itself, as well as lore that points the way to hidden quests or items by reading them and deciphering their meaning like Red Eagles Sword, but that dont necessarily give a quest. It would give a feeling of mystery and exploration to read about a place and suddenly find yourself following clues to an object of power. Adding 10-20 "seek and find" style quests like this would give players another reason to read the books they find because who knows where they might lead them.

- A complete overhaul of destruction magic in general would encourage people to play the class post level 40. This would make magic viable aside from being a window dressing in the end game. Perhaps the ability to create your own spells could be reincorporated into skyrim as it was in oblivion, or the addition of higher damage spells that specifically require being trained in adept and mastery perks to be used at all.

- More interactive companions along the lines of the companion guild that you form deep bonds with. This would add more depth to these characters beyond a superficial feeling of having your back as opposed to feeling like they are a dear friend. This way when you're engaged in combat you'll be paying attention to their current status for reasons other than just keeping them alive, but because you dont want to lose an awesome companion.

- Quests involving the Vigilant of Stendarr, the Aldmari Dominion, the Aedra, the remaining Dragons under parthonax, the city guards of the holds, and ESPECIALLY becoming the High King of Skyrim!! I know I am not alone when I say that the jagged crown is my favorite piece of head gear and it really svcked to give it up when it looked so nice bugged over an ebony helmet! Perhaps an aesthetic upgrade to add a bit more spiff to it dependant upon the players actions during the quest line to become high king.

- CHARACTER SKILL RESPEC QUEST! This is DESPERATELY needed. This would allow players to correct poor perk choices instead of having to plot and plan out every single step. Please note that this shouldnt include an complete overhaul of race and facial features, and should be a one-time-only chance to respecialize a character.

These are just a few ideas I've come up with. Im sure that there may be some excesses and repetitions here, but if there are any they should only reinforce their worth to the developers. PLEASE consider doing a best of the best fan-created content DLC for the 360/Playstation at the very least so that we can experience the best of what the PC has to offer. It will only immortalize their respective creators by putting their creations on the platforms!

Thank you for your time, and all of your continued efforts in bringing us a unique standard of excellence rarely seen in the RPG genre.

Cheers!

-Knight

[Cassie Boyle]

Wishes 4 skyrim dlc.


Dragon, mammoth, spider, & or bear mounts with combat accesibility.
More spells
Spell customization or creation
Arrow smithing
No whining bout shadows or leaves or lights
Enchantment customization or creation
thalmor campaign
Perk reorganization
Werewolf campaign

[Michelle Serenity Boss]

If it isn't DLC then i will hurt something.

If it is skyrim dlc, is it just an announcment & trailer for a later date? Or actual dlc live tomorrow? Doesn't dlc come out Tuesday's? Any way excited, then probably disappointed...

Say hello to Corvo, Dishonored main character

[April]

Say hello to Corvo, Dishonored main character

*points to other thread*

[ShOrty]

The PC version gets so much more than the consoles... and the PC crowd still finds something to complain about just because MS payed for something that last 30 days. Unbelievable, but believe it or not, nobody is entitled to anything.

I can agree with that. I am a new convert and I could care less about any DLC. There are thousands upon thousands of mods that add change and are just as good, if not better than some of the DLC released by Beth. Sad but true.

Besides almost every single wish that I have seen, already has a mod that does that very thing and more. This is still early. The mod teams need time to get these massive expansion mods together. Like Morrowind, for example.

[Ian White]

*points to other thread*

I'd the be the happiest person in the world if it turns out it's not true. I'd rather believe that the screenshot released is not Skyrim related and then be pleasantly surprised if it turns out I'm mistaken.

[Nick Pryce]

Well the picture looked like a near exact copy of the Dragonborn model they used for marketing Skyrim. Surely they wouldn't just recycle him and remove his helmet to use for another game's marketing.

[Claire Jackson]

Yep...Xbox exclusivity means I will not be "buying" the DLC (that is Xbox exclusive, even if is only for 30 days).This sort of treatment of the people who financed Bethesda long enough to become the giant in the gaming industry they are today show not only an extreme disregard for their customers, but also an extreme hubris that has cause many a company before them to bite the dust when the current "craze" finally ended (see the third part of my post, after the second quote). So yeah...DLC with exclusivity will not be "bought." And other PC gamers who care about their platform should do the same.

Seriously, PC guys should never feel left out. Long after the last DLC, PC modders will keep working and making Skyrim way better than it will ever be on a console.

Exactly. I'm pretty sure 360 players, unfortunately not PS3 players too, deserve a little something to make the decision of buying on a console worthwhile.

svck it up, and wait the month. Console players have had to deal with not having mods, consoles, and graphics.

The PC version gets so much more than the consoles... and the PC crowd still finds something to complain about just because MS payed for something that last 30 days. Unbelievable, but believe it or not, nobody is entitled to anything.

First, how very rude! "I am only interested in gaming enough to get a console, so I am gana complain and whine when I can't have all the benefits of a PC, but when I get something special, no one else should complain or whine about it!" Yeah...pot calling the kettle black...

Second, modding and what not has NOTHING to do with this debate. Modding is something that Microsoft (not Bethesda) says you cannot do. Your system, though it is light-years behind a PC, could easily run the modding tools. But Microsoft would NEVER allow that (neither would Sony). So when you get all high and mighty "Well you guys have modding so shut up." you should really be angry with the people who you paid to play games in the first place (Microsoft/Sony) NOT the PC community (who is the only reason this company ever got successful enough to make games for you kids in the first place).

And Lastly, just because Microsoft has the money to get whatever the heck they want, doesn't mean that they should be given whatever the heck they want. Exclusivity makes Bethesda look like a greedy, soul-less company (kinda like Microsoft). Bethesda, and many other companies that USED to be PC exclusive, have really taken their core consumer base (the PC users) for granted recently...this leads me to...

If half of what I hear about PS4 and Xbox Next is true, the industry is headed to a second crash real soon. After that, indie developers and possibly one or two online distributor will survive for PC/Macs.

I can't wait for this. I am not sure if it's gana happen with the next-gen consoles, but I can almost guarantee a DRASTIC drop in sales for both the consoles themselves and the games that are made exclusively for (or made originally for and later terribly ported) them. But even if it doesn't happen with the very next generation of consoles, it WILL happen...and sooner than a lot of the people at Microsoft/Sony think it will (Nintendo will be affected too, but will probably be fine simply because of their extreme fan base and their recent trend towards a more inclusive system). The problem is that no matter how fast/powerful you make the next-gen consoles, they are still going to be comparable to PCs that are 4 years older than them, at best. PCs, because of their modifiable nature, become more powerful at an exponential rate. Consoles, on the other hand, grow more powerful in static chunks. This leads to a ever widening gap where PCs pull further and further ahead in terms of power, performance, and speed.

Eventually, this will lead to two forms of gaming companies, those who produce for the consoles (they will stop porting to PC because very few people on the PC will want a game that looks 4 years older than the current gen of PC games) and those who produce for PC (these people will be on the cutting edge). As the price of a solid gaming computer keeps falling (due to the rapid cycle of development and the inability of ANY game designer to keep up with technology that is doubling or tripling it's performance capabilities in as little as 6 months or less) consoles will seem like less and less of a "budget" way to get into gaming. You will eventually have things like On-live and Steam Boxes at near the same price as a new console, and even the "elite" gaming PCs will only be a little more expensive than that (last computer, bought 4 years ago, nearly state-of-the-art, cost=S2500 USD; new computer bought this month, even more state-of-the-art than the last, cost =$1k USD, in 3-4 years, computers able to handle anything game developers can throw at them with ease will be $500 USD or less). When this happens, there will be a MASSIVE collapse of the industry, as TONS of big name, console only/pro-console biased companies (I am looking at you EA/Ubisoft/Bethesda/etc.) cannot make the switch from their 4 year old engines to modern, state of the art engines fast enough to meet demand for the new generation of (nearly) PC only gamers.The companies that already made the switch will get a HUGE surge in profits, and companies that decided to be profit focused as opposed to forward thinking, will find themselves disappearing.

This will, thankfully, usher in at least a couple really amazing years of gaming, where "indie" companies, and companies like CD Projeckt will rake in massive amounts of cash while still putting out top of the line games with amazing customer service to ALL their customers. The golden years of gaming are yet to come, and they will only come once consoles are dead and buried.

Exactly, this is nothing new either. Microsoft has been buying off developers to get DLC early for quite some time now, you'd think people would understand the concept and be used to it by now.

Finally, I just wanted to comment on this really quick. This sort of attitude is why companies like Bethesda and EA get away with treating their paying customers like garbage. We shouldn't "be used to it by now," we should be "really pissed off about it by now." If PC gamers (and to a lesser extent, PS3/4 gamers) keep allowing gaming companies to get away with this sort of blatant disregard for such a large % of their player base, then they will just eventually squeeze out those who don't/can't pay top dollar for their products. This time it is 30 day exclusivity for the DLC. Next time it is totally exclusivity, and then the time after, no PC/PS4 version at all...that's how this works. So speak up, close your wallet to the baddies, and open it for the goodies.

And before I get yelled at for being a "PC elitist" for this post, I want to point out that if PC was getting a 30 day exclusive, I would hope that the Xbox and PS3 people were on these forums doing exactly what I am doing right now. I can honestly say I wouldn't even want the DLC to be exclusive to PC for any length of time. The more people that can get the hands on the product right away, the better. It increases overall revenue for a company I (used to) REALLY like and helps them produce more stuff faster. You are welcome to call me a PC elitist for my general feelings, cause I SOOOOOOO am, but this issue has nothing to do with elitism.

Anyways, just my two cents...

[Astargoth Rockin' Design]

Yep...Xbox exclusivity means I will not be "buying" the DLC (that is Xbox exclusive, even if is only for 30 days).This sort of treatment of the people who financed Bethesda long enough to become the giant in the gaming industry they are today show not only an extreme disregard for their customers, but also an extreme hubris that has cause many a company before them to bite the dust when the current "craze" finally ended (see the third part of my post, after the second quote). So yeah...DLC with exclusivity will not be "bought." And other PC gamers who care about their platform should do the same.





First, how very rude! "I am only interested in gaming enough to get a console, so I am gana complain and whine when I can't have all the benefits of a PC, but when I get something special, no one else should complain or whine about it!" Yeah...pot calling the kettle black...

Second, modding and what not has NOTHING to do with this debate. Modding is something that Microsoft (not Bethesda) says you cannot do. Your system, though it is light-years behind a PC, could easily run the modding tools. But Microsoft would NEVER allow that (neither would Sony). So when you get all high and mighty "Well you guys have modding so shut up." you should really be angry with the people who you paid to play games in the first place (Microsoft/Sony) NOT the PC community (who is the only reason this company ever got successful enough to make games for you kids in the first place).

And Lastly, just because Microsoft has the money to get whatever the heck they want, doesn't mean that they should be given whatever the heck they want. Exclusivity makes Bethesda look like a greedy, soul-less company (kinda like Microsoft). Bethesda, and many other companies that USED to be PC exclusive, have really taken their core consumer base (the PC users) for granted recently...this leads me to...



I can't wait for this. I am not sure if it's gana happen with the next-gen consoles, but I can almost guarantee a DRASTIC drop in sales for both the consoles themselves and the games that are made exclusively for (or made originally for and later terribly ported) them. But even if it doesn't happen with the very next generation of consoles, it WILL happen...and sooner than a lot of the people at Microsoft/Sony think it will (Nintendo will be affected too, but will probably be fine simply because of their extreme fan base and their recent trend towards a more inclusive system). The problem is that no matter how fast/powerful you make the next-gen consoles, they are still going to be comparable to PCs that are 4 years older than them, at best. PCs, because of their modifiable nature, become more powerful at an exponential rate. Consoles, on the other hand, grow more powerful in static chunks. This leads to a ever widening gap where PCs pull further and further ahead in terms of power, performance, and speed.

Eventually, this will lead to two forms of gaming companies, those who produce for the consoles (they will stop porting to PC because very few people on the PC will want a game that looks 4 years older than the current gen of PC games) and those who produce for PC (these people will be on the cutting edge). As the price of a solid gaming computer keeps falling (due to the rapid cycle of development and the inability of ANY game designer to keep up with technology that is doubling or tripling it's performance capabilities in as little as 6 months or less) consoles will seem like less and less of a "budget" way to get into gaming. You will eventually have things like On-live and Steam Boxes at near the same price as a new console, and even the "elite" gaming PCs will only be a little more expensive than that (last computer, bought 4 years ago, nearly state-of-the-art, cost=S2500 USD; new computer bought this month, even more state-of-the-art than the last, cost =$1k USD, in 3-4 years, computers able to handle anything game developers can throw at them with ease will be $500 USD or less). When this happens, there will be a MASSIVE collapse of the industry, as TONS of big name, console only/pro-console biased companies (I am looking at you EA/Ubisoft/Bethesda/etc.) cannot make the switch from their 4 year old engines to modern, state of the art engines fast enough to meet demand for the new generation of (nearly) PC only gamers.The companies that already made the switch will get a HUGE surge in profits, and companies that decided to be profit focused as opposed to forward thinking, will find themselves disappearing.

This will, thankfully, usher in at least a couple really amazing years of gaming, where "indie" companies, and companies like CD Projeckt will rake in massive amounts of cash while still putting out top of the line games with amazing customer service to ALL their customers. The golden years of gaming are yet to come, and they will only come once consoles are dead and buried.





Finally, I just wanted to comment on this really quick. This sort of attitude is why companies like Bethesda and EA get away with treating their paying customers like garbage. We shouldn't "be used to it by now," we should be "really pissed off about it by now." If PC gamers (and to a lesser extent, PS3/4 gamers) keep allowing gaming companies to get away with this sort of blatant disregard for such a large % of their player base, then they will just eventually squeeze out those who don't/can't pay top dollar for their products. This time it is 30 day exclusivity for the DLC. Next time it is totally exclusivity, and then the time after, no PC/PS4 version at all...that's how this works. So speak up, close your wallet to the baddies, and open it for the goodies.

And before I get yelled at for being a "PC elitist" for this post, I want to point out that if PC was getting a 30 day exclusive, I would hope that the Xbox and PS3 people were on these forums doing exactly what I am doing right now. I can honestly say I wouldn't even want the DLC to be exclusive to PC for any length of time. The more people that can get the hands on the product right away, the better. It increases overall revenue for a company I (used to) REALLY like and helps them produce more stuff faster. You are welcome to call me a PC elitist for my general feelings, cause I SOOOOOOO am, but this issue has nothing to do with elitism.

Anyways, just my two cents...

What's all this complaining about, I own both (PC and Xbox 360)... and I still say your not entitled to anything. BS has catered to the PC gamers enough, your mad because now there catering to someone else, rather if you want to admit it or not... its the elite PC attitude. Second, you don't have a very good understanding of what can be done on a console I'm afraid, even if they choose not to do it. Sony actually has allowed modding in the past which I can prove.

[liz barnes]

I agree with your sentiment, but let's face it, when we see the juicy DLC details, we'll lap it all up and ask for seconds.