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True, but can Tulius thu'um? No! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH JK LOL. I don't like how he talks about nords though. Both sides have valid points and ways of trying to solve the issue. I just dnt think Skyrim has to be with the Empire and foresake talos to do so. They can fight together but have skyrim be independent.

After you take Windhelm he'll tell you he has a great respect for nords, even if he'll never understand them. I believe Skyrim has it's right to be independant too (hell, most of Tamriel already is anyway), but attacking the only thing that keeps every Thalmor ever from taking over the goddarn capital of Talos worship, that's pretty friggin stupid.

So basicly play a mage on master and not die? I didn't die on my mage (no conjuration) didn't even get dragonflesh as I believe I never got high enough, alteration was maxed just couldnt find it before the mainquest was over. Never used my flesh spells anyway except for when I was trying to level alteration, until i got telekinesis.

Drakensang - Can't remember if it's the first or the second.

The whole "Nords don't like magic" thing has given me some problems re: the lore.

Specifically, if they didn't use magic, how were they able to conquer the snow elves and the chimer and dwemer in morrowind, particularly as, magic aside, it would seem the elves weren't necessarily slouches in the melee department themselves.

It just doesn't make sense to me that non-magic users could defeat magic users who were also warriors.

I know the lore mentions disunity amongst the morrowind elves, or at least the chimer, but, I still can't see how non-magic user Nords could have conquered the territory.

Some, I'm thinking that ancient Nords nmust have, as others have mentioned, been familiar with magic themselves.

The nords will rebuild and become the strong nord nation it needs to be. Then the Thalmor will have to worry about the Legion, Stormcloaks, and Hammerfell. Its not stupid, just a difference of opinion. They dont think that they should have to sacrafice their way of life just because Imperials think its necessary to survive. They're more worried about their survival rather then Skyrim's.

Ysgramor and his companions were all melee users. They're just awesome like that. Read those books they have talking about Ysgrammor. All the proof u need.

Yeah it's pretty stupid.. I only play on Master however because well - it's just something I always do in games, makes me think I get the most out of them..

But yeah, instead of make it so that you have to fight better / smarter and utilize tactics or w/e they just decided on making fights last a bit longer. So basicly you just have to keep your face on the keyboard for a few more seconds while facerolling enemies.

Well, if the Dominion gets Cyrodiil, the fight will be A LOT harder for both Skyrim and Hammerfell.

And the whole war is pointless, Tullius knows it, Rikke knows it, and most nords know it. Now is not the time for infighting, it's exactly what the Thalmor want. Waht if they attack before either Skyrim or the Empire can rebuild? Then what? We just need to put all differences aside for now and focus on the real enemy.

It would be nice if the enemies got smarter or used some perks like shield charge, or something.

Oh God no! 0_0

Remember, that the Thalmor said in their private books in their embassy that they dont want a stormcloak victory either. They dont wish for either side to win, so they're busy. The sooner the Empire accepts Skyrim Independence, the sooner they can get back to fighting the true enemy.

What, too much? Yea, ur probably right. Shield charging draugr would be scarry.

If Skyrim wants to negotiate it's independence later then that's fine by me, but the war never should've even started. YEs the Thalmor want us to fight, they made it happen, they tortured Ulfric and made him the hateful man he is today. He's also just power-hungry and is more concerned with being High-king then the people. He appealed to the honor of the Nords and they're Talos worship, and turned them into Empire hating rebels. If Ulfric never killed Torygg, none of this would have ever happened.

Exactly - I love TES games but like I said before, Bethesda decided to streamline their game and make it easier to get into then their older titles. Back when Morrowind was new, they might not have had the technology to make deep combat systems in order to make the game challenging. So they did what alot of old time RPG's did, made the learning curve steep instead. Now it's 2012 and they shouldn't stick to ancient design, they could easily have made the game harder by making the AI better.

I dnt feel like discussing stormcloak vs Imperials anymore. We could go back all day quoting each other and mentioning in game lore and speculating. I'm just glad that Bethesda made a game where we can get so wrapped into its lore like this. One thing we can agree on is that the Thalmor must pay! (And stormcloaks rule) jk lolz, I'm done

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Now back to the attack on Whiterun, gotta support Ulfric's efforts.