Hey, but is possible who some bunkers in all parts of the USA are like Navarro, is possible who the California Enclave was just a "little part" of the pre war US Government.

They can't be just a "little part" when they presumably had the entire United States High Command within the Oil Rig.

This is not to say that Enclave outposts don't exist in other pre-war United States Bunkers though. Mt. Weather would be a primary example of a possible base for the Enclave to have inhabited.

No its not possible. From from FO2 we learned that the Enclave at the Rig and Navarro are the only ones. If they had other bases all over the place I am sure they would have said something. Their virus would have killed anyone not inoculated against the virus.

FO3 tells us that the Enclave did not go to DC till after the events of FO2. They get destroyed twice in FO3.

New Vegas gives us even more info. That there could be an outpost in Chicago but I am betting it was established or re-inhabited a pre-war bunker on their way to DC. We learn Navarro fell to NCR and that much of the Enclave end up trying to make a new life in NCR but BoS and NCR hunts them down. Remnants of Enclave in the West are in their 80s now.

Enclave should not come back as power in a future DLC and they should not come back anytime soon in a future fallout as anything other then remnants of the remnants that came to DC. Getting tired of playing wackamole with the Enclave.

Of course they we can return but not like an enemy, maybe we can give an help

By this time it has become a tough hardship to sustain a story, twisted so many times already, any longer with the addition of even more adaptions. This is of course partly due to the copyrights of Fallout being pinballed between numerous studios and the lack of inspiration and vision of Obsidian's writing staff in regard to the Factions of post-apocalyptic America. Why keep going back to old chapters? We have seen the NCR, the BoS and the Enclave, so invent something genuinly different. And if they want to address our sentiments with formilliar factions they ought to surprise us with new tech, gear, uniforms etc. to make it more enjoyable, because in the end, that's what the game is about. So don't take á remnant of the Enclave, but one that is for example dismembered from it's former command and continued on it's own, in a completely different setting with other competing tribes and armies, but make it SHINE, and stop showing us the same thing about every few years, we don't want games to be like politics.

Ceasars Legion.

What new Faction has Bethesda come up with? Commonwealth? We have not seen them yet.

Talon Company, which was under developed.
Regulators (Eastern Version), which were underdeveloped.
Smugglers, which were underdeveloped.
Paradise Falls Slavers, which were underdeveloped.
...
Damn..

Damn Commonwealth with their androids which need to shave... :down:

No, I was serious. I'm not sure why that is funny.

Well, Beth didn't think too hard about putting the Enclave in 3, or about finding a good way to add Super Mutants. Along with Fallout 3's other plethora of errors and silly canon moments I see no reason to have faith in them unless they get different staff, or ask Obsidian to have a look at there stuff first.

Ohhhhh I see. I misunderstood, I thought you were saying that because you supported them, and didn't like that I was questioning gamesas's judgement.

I would like to see the common wealth they talk about it now i want to see it. Plus the Enclave is awesome. I cant believe that they are practicly destroyed. waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.

LOL I don't understand why you guys keep saying the Enclave is dead. That's not true at all. They had bases all over the world. They were the only faction with Vertibirds for a very long time. They could have expanded to anywhere they damn well please.

They could mass produce vertibirds and APA MkII and Hellfire armors. That fact alone almost assures that they have a factory of some sort set up somewhere. "Bu-b-b-but they could have hand made them" you say? No. You don't hand-make a hydraulic pump or nuclear reactor that's small enough to be man-portable. Those are things that take a very precise robot to make. You would need sheet metal, bolts, nuts, and a bunch of other things that you can only make identically if made in a manufacturing facility somewhere. The Enclave ain't dead. Not by a long shot. Just because Optimus beat down the DC faction doesn't mean they're out of the game.

No. In FO2 it was said that the Oil rig was their only main base. When that was destroyed the survivors went to the East coast, and had both of their bases destroyed.



Yeah, manufacturing facilitys... like maybe in their MASSIVE BASES. They weren't squatting in little bunkers... Their bases were huge. Huge enough to have manufacturing facilitys.

Also, the Hellfire armor was hand made, at least towards the end.



Are you joking? All three of their main bases were destroyed, and their minor ones (which they only had on the West Coast) were overwhelmed and destroyed by either the NCR or the BOS. The ONLY survivors are the remnants, and perhaps a few squatting in a bunker in Chicago.

Of course, considering how little Bethesda cares about making sense or the lore, then yeah... Sooner or later the Enclave will come back, if only so the Call of Duty crowd can have teh awsoom bad guis to shewt.

god yes! Enclave= awsome! i think the BoS is overrated and i think the Enclave are better by miles, they also have the coolest armour (TESLA ARMOUR IS EPIKS)
and they have cool weoponry!

I am in the "Not With You" camp.

THIS The Enclave approves good sir. :foodndrink:

No.

Why are people so clung to the Enclave? They're dead. Like all the warring factions in early eastern-europe the bulk of their faction is destroyed and what's left of them assimilated into other societies.

In other words, they're dead. They've had the mast majority of their infrastructure destroyed. Twice. Bringing them back is stupid.

The Enclave should not be Fallout's personal Ganandorf or Bowser.

Er... Hello sir? Nice name you got there.. o_O

Yes bring the Enclave back. Just because they were pretty much wiped out in that region doesn't mean there can't be more in others. Hm? Food for thought..

Yes it does mean that. Enclave wiped out in the West and in the East (twice). How many times do we need to destroy them?!

How many times does lore/canon need to be twisted to bring back Enclave as a powerful faction? Their being in FO3 is so full of holes as it is.

Why do we need to destroy them at all?

Fallout 2 we had to destroy them. They kidnapped your tribe and are going to kill the world.

FO3 Bethesda brought them back with a really stupid, watered down version of their FO2 plan that requires the player to fulfill. They were trying to kill us so they had to die.

One part of FO3 I don't get. Eden wants to kill evey mutation in DC. Autumn autumn didn't? and if his not wanting to go along with Eden's plan was the reason he rebelled against Eden, then why does Autumn Autumn's Enclave still try to kill you even after you cause Eden to blow up? Doesn't that show him "hey I am on your side?"

i liked the enclave and my bet is they aren't gone from the series by a longshot, the united states is big and they're probably around still, they'll be in a future fallout game, considering how lousy ceasers legion and ncr are in new vegas, the enclave need to come back , i sure as hell don't want to see ceasers legion or ncr again, those factions are so lame, ceasers legion uses macheties and you can't even really find em on the map except for a few spots, they never show up like the enclave did in fallout 3, neither of those factions are ominous or menacing like the enclave were, ncr are like panzies, there actually needs to be a super enclave faction in the future so they game ain't so boring like new vegas is once you're about level 15 or so.

Personally, I'd rather they came up with something new. It's not even a lore issue to me, it just gets so boring recycling the same enemies over and over. Let's move on to something more creative; the Enclave has been done to death.