Too many moot points from people who have no idea what they're talking about is more like it.

I fail to see how that's a constructive contribution to the discussion.

Same here.

If it was a 'fact' that either magic is completely bad or that you 'have' to play a certain way then everybody would be having the problem. considering it is only a minority of people though, nope it is not a fact it is only your opinions. Keep trying different ways and you will eventually figure out how to get a mage character running smoothly.

mages svck because why? the game is harder when you are one? this is the best news yet! cant wait to start my mage character

Oh, I can get a smooth running mage character.

Minus Destruction.

The point is that I shouldn't have to find the "Correct" build in a game that claims to emphasize choice.

@Person above me: That's not why mages svck at all, but hey, drink that koolaid.

It's not as good as past games because we have lost useful spell types and spell creation its a bare bones system with pretty effects that's it.

the thing is you have go play a certain way to run into magic being bad and that's going 40+, not using enchanting or alchemy and not using impact you will clearly see that destruction does not scale well heck not even destruction conjuration and alteration do not scale well either

I agree, it this game it is completely plausible to make a functional mage. We just lack options and customization. These games are about choice and this game is lacking choice in the magic system.

Because someone complained that they couldn't mod their console game?

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yes for other builds games gettiing to hard? warrior: smithing make your armor and weapons better,theif: alchemy use poisons for more 1 hit kills, warrior and theif: enchanting make desired combat skill better
Mage: smithing make your armor better (if you use armor), alchemy make your damage viable (for everysingle fight), enchanting spam spells forever (not to mention that for higher level spells you need this to have a viable mage)

Sorry it didn't work out for you. Modding the game to be what you like is a viable option, if you run the game on a platform on which this is a viable option. My comment was no less constructive than the person who complained that they couldn't mod the game because they were on a console.

--Randall

Spam any high-powered attack. Super sword, axe or hammer, etc., same thing. If you limit your tactic to one single spell, that's YOUR fault, not the game's. I use conjures, flame, frost and lightning attacks, skins, etc., etc. You CAN NOT run up to an ancient dragon, giant, whatever, as a "pure", unarmored mage, spamming incinerate. Similarly, you can't run through dungeons in case you run into something that packs a wallop. Spells are cool AND work out well, if you're not the type of player who plays with one tactic, and a limited set of practiced skills. If you are, every character is essentially the same, and only the attack graphics change.

I'll ask...did you put any upogrades into Health or Stamina? Because if you just kept making your Magicka pool bigger then of course you would "of course" become too weak to last long. Magicka is pretty much a single use attribute taht is worthless unless you want to cast a lot of magic. Health and stamina are pretty much useful for anyone & everyone. A mage should probably be using a system where every other level choice is either a health or stamina upgrade.

On spellcrafting... don't miss it, never used it. All crafted spells in past games were essentially variations of "stock" spells. IMO, having the ability to have umpteen minor variations on a single spell is NOT a plus and detracts from development time that can better be spent elsewhere (figuring balancing). I *would* have liked to see a little more variation in Destruction... acid/poison clouds/sprays, but c'est la vie, you can't have everything and faulting a game that gives you more than any other out there for NOT giving you EVERYTHING, well, that's always going to come across as whiney.

Indeed it does. I haven't bothered reading the thread because it is most likely filled with the usual you just svck or magic is for wimps or even magic is better because it looks pretty. All of which is completely false. I even read a post where someone claimed the gimping of magic is justified by the lore. What a joke.

I was about to post this till you stole the words from my mouth.

If you are a pure mage, why dont you have the impact perk?

I'm pretty sick of people complaining about magic "svcking" I made it most of the way through the game without ever using a weapon or wearing armor.

Impact=easy mode

You just get lightning bolt out and boom boom boom boom, theyll never hit you

No. SC was a way to custom make spells. Now we're stuck with yhe same boring spells, excelt less effects. The balance argument is a complete joke.

That's wrong on so many different levels.

The one I'll touch on thought, "On Spellcrafting... don't miss it. Never USED IT."

Well, a lot of us DID.

Just because you didn't know how to properly use a feature (An exceptionally POPULAR feature) doesn't mean it svcked and needed to be thrown out.

I could go on, but I'm busy.

If spellcrafting comes back, emulate Magicka (the game). Instead of providing a static pool of effects--which is just a more granular level of boring--allow us to experiment! Combine paralysis with fire and get...? Flame wall? Fire with air for a fireball (Magicka uses fire/earth--but this is Skyrim.) As you learn new spell types, you get more and more options for destruction and mayhem.

Spellcrafting people.. Make experimentation fun!

No, it's because that mantra of "mods will fix it" is completely useless to those on a console platform, and essentially lets Bethesda pass the buck on the parts of game design that is their responsibility.

You can't please all of the people, all of the time. What Bethesda appears to have done is please most of the people, most of the time. Incidentally, this happens to be the best way to make money when creating a product for consumers to purchase

Mods allow those who are not pleased the ability to become pleased.

I mod all of my vehicles. I mod my house. I mod my android phone. I built my own DVR system based on mythtv (linux). I mod most of the video games I play when that capability exists. I already know that what people make off the shelf is most likely not going to meet my needs 100%, so I ensure that the ability to modify that product exists prior to purchase.

It's unfortunate that this capability doesn't exist for some of the people. Ergo, those people have to pay the price for the life they choose to lead. A good metaphor is the Toyota Prius - if I were interested in generating additional horsepower and going faster, I would have chosen the wrong platform whereas if I wanted to get great fuel economy and still be able to modify the motor to generate more horsepower/torque I'd go buy a VW Golf TDI

The fact of the matter is, that a player CANNOT be effective in this game as a Pure Destruction Mage on Master Difficulty.

1. Must use companions
2. Must use Atronachs/Conjured minions
3. Must use Enchanting
4. Must use other schools of magicka

Damage does not scale at all. A level 45 Mage, with Destruction at 100, difficulty of Master, going on recently issued Blook Horker mission for example, using Ice Storm or Ice Spear did jack and squad for damage. I'm fine with being one shotted by their arrows (to the knee), as that is what SHOULD happen to a pure mage in robes. But, I'm finding it hard to believe that there is no damage adjustment, even if the level of the Destruction skill increases. I have 780 something magicka and my regen, I think, sits at 150%, 100%, 26%, 26%, 26%, and 40% with all the items that are allowed a magicka regen bonus (such as Dragon mask, Master Destruction Robe, gloves, amulet, etc).

Fire spells at higher levels are essentially useless since the burning effect does just about NOTHING to higher level enemies and only lasts like 2 seconds.

That Atronachs don't scale is garbage as well. I love a Frost Atronach getting one shotted by Bandit Chiefs/Leaders. I don't have as strong a Conjuration skill as Destruction, but for me that takes forever to go up anyways, even though I conjure up a minion ALL THE TIME.

I'm also peeved that certain items can't have certain enchantments. But that's for another discussion.

Damage for Destruction based magic svcks. I'm almost at level 50 and I still go up against enemies that make me feel like a little schoolgirl getting spanked.




I thought, on Master, it was quite the opposite. My Warrior had Deadric weapons and armor with dual enchantments that [censored] pretty much anything. My Mage on the other hand takes forever to kill stuff and I had to give my companions smithed and enchanted armor to make them effective. Whoever heard of a Mage Master Smith? The game is NOT balanced at all.

Before this topic gets closed down, here's a quick list I put together concerning magic effects:



That's seven new effects for 22 lost.