Should the Nords have enslaved the Dunmer when they came to

Post » Thu Jun 14, 2012 1:34 am

Heh, yeah. Would've been pretty funny.
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Jhenna lee Lizama
 
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Post » Thu Jun 14, 2012 2:09 am

Not necessarily Xarathox. Remember Nord lore states that Nords actually originated in Skyrim, before moving to Atmora and then eventually journeying back.

The elves attacked the Nords first, sacking Saarthal.. Before that they had lived relatively harmoniously with one another.

I just identify with the Nords more, while they're predominantly based on Scandinavian culture small elements of Scottish culture are also included in there, as well as the fact I really identified with their political situation in Skyrim.
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Post » Thu Jun 14, 2012 1:48 am



Orcs have lived in Skyrim long before humans even set foot on the land.

People seem to cast the ancient nords in some kind of divine light. They invaded a land that was not their own, slaughtered it's population because, mer? yeah...real [censored] honorable...

If the Falmer hadn't massacred them in Saarthal then that would never have happened....

You don't stab a Nord in the back and expect hum to forgive you.
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Post » Thu Jun 14, 2012 6:03 am

Yes the Nords responded brutally against the Falmer, can you blame them ? They had to protect themselves, they were the only humans in a land full of Elves. They had to show the whole of Tamriel that you did not cross the Nords and live to tell the tale.
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Post » Thu Jun 14, 2012 3:33 am

No the Nords should not have enslaved them, they should have cast them out though, Skyrim is overrun with foreigners now, Orcs in strongholds, Dark elves in the East.. It's meant to be the home of the Nords and soon they'll wake up to find it just another bland multiracial Cyrodiil. Cyrodill is the place for multi-culturalism, not Skyrim.

Yeah, we don't want them darkie elves polluting our pure Nordic blood and tainting our superior land with their dirty gypsy ways. Diversity? [censored] that noise.
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Post » Thu Jun 14, 2012 3:51 pm

Because until the city of Vivec fell and Red Mountain erupted, the lizards couldn't have fended off a girl scout troop. :biggrin: The only reason the Argoninas razed the Morrowind countryside is because we were severely weakened by 2 disasters.

Argonians came in like carrion birds who only eat after the animal is dead.

Silly, weak lizards. :biggrin:

How dare you?!

I let it be known that our race is the oldest in Tamriel, we have been co-existing with our Hist brethren way before you Dunmers ended up with a permanent case of the ugly. Also, might I remind you that your ashen skinned kind can't even set foot into Black Marsh without getting infected by a lethal disease or your face bitten off by the unique wild life? You had to send in your Argonian slaves to work on the plantation as we are the only ones who can survive in the treacherous swamps.

Fact is, you ended up enslaving our kind for labor because the supposedly superior Dunmers can't even lift cutlery without straining a muscle, let alone do actual physical work.

And now scramble back to the ruins of Vvardenfell and save whatever meager wealth you accumulated before we decide to return for a second round. :devil:
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Post » Thu Jun 14, 2012 12:00 pm

Yes precisely. Keep diversity where it belongs, in Cyrodiil. The dark elves would treat Nords like [censored] if they had migrated to Morrowind seeking refuge, probably would have enslaved us as well.


I think the Nords and the Argonians should form an alliance and slaughter every last Dunmer in Tamriel. I personally quite like Argonians.
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Post » Thu Jun 14, 2012 6:24 am

Yes precisely. Keep diversity where it belongs, in Cyrodiil. The dark elves would treat Nords like [censored] if they had migrated to Morrowind seeking refuge, probably would have enslaved us as well.


I think the Nords and the Argonians should form an alliance and slaughter every last Dunmer in Tamriel. I personally quite like Argonians.

This is hilariously racist (against a fantasy race but racist nontheless).
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Post » Thu Jun 14, 2012 8:18 am

Yeah the slaughter thing was racist, I don't really want that because I quite like Dunmer. I just think Skyrim belongs to the Nords and it should stay that way. Nothing racist about wanting to protect your own race, it's just conservation.
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Post » Thu Jun 14, 2012 2:39 am

No, it's pretty racist actually.


I think Germany belongs to the Germans and it should stay that way. Nothing racist about wanting to protect your own race, it's just conservation.


See the problem with that line of thought?
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Post » Thu Jun 14, 2012 2:36 am

No there's no problem with that. I believe my country should belong to my people, if certain Germans think the same there's nothing wrong with that.

It is just conservation, if you start inviting in other races your own race risks disappearing through interbreeding. Your own culture risks being wiped out.
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Post » Thu Jun 14, 2012 1:14 pm

Are you afraid Jews and Muslims are going to take over Europe?

No there's no problem with that. I believe my country should belong to my people, if certain Germans think the same there's nothing wrong with that.

It is just conservation, if you start inviting in other races your own race risks disappearing through interbreeding. Your own culture risks being wiped out.

Anders Bering Breivik had the same mindset.
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Post » Thu Jun 14, 2012 9:27 am

No I quite like Jewish culture actually. One of my favourite programmes is Curb Your Enthusiasm, which has been described as unashamedly Jewish. I visit Turkey quite regularly as well.

About the whole taking over thing you should note the birth rate trends, by 2050 the majority religion in many European countries will be Islam, Europeans will soon be outnumbered in their own continent. This doesn't scare me it just saddens me. We're a miniority in global terms by far, I think we should be limiting the amount of people immigrating into European countries. I love my own race and want it to be protected, I still admire and respect others.
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Post » Thu Jun 14, 2012 2:21 am

No I quite like Jewish culture actually. One of my favourite programmes is Curb Your Enthusiasm, which has been described as unashamedly Jewish. I visit Turkey quite regularly as well.

About the whole taking over thing you should note the birth rate trends, by 2050 the majority religion in many European countries will be Islam, Europeans will soon be outnumbered in their own continent. This doesn't scare me it just saddens me. We're a miniority in global terms by far, I think we should be limiting the amount of people immigrating into European countries. I love my own race and want it to be protected, I still admire and respect others.

You admire and respect them so long as they stay out of your country, right? It's not at all respectful to deny a person because they're from a different place than you. And wanting to preserve your racial integrity carries some pretty hilariously racist undertones. Never mind equality among mankind! How do you feel about interracial couples?
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Post » Thu Jun 14, 2012 7:34 am

No they can visit my country and such but permanently residing there ? In small numbers it's not bad at all but you're failing to take into account the long term implications. Such as the much faster birth rate of said immigrants, resulting in a massive demographic shift.


How is wishing to preserve my own race racist ? I don't hate other races, or disrespect them, I just love my own and wish to protect it, not through harming others. The people who already have immigrated are welcome to stay, I wouldn't dream of asking them to uproot, but immigration certainly has to be limited.
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Post » Thu Jun 14, 2012 3:23 am

Not necessarily Xarathox. Remember Nord lore states that Nords actually originated in Skyrim, before moving to Atmora and then eventually journeying back.

The elves attacked the Nords first, sacking Saarthal.. Before that they had lived relatively harmoniously with one another.

I just identify with the Nords more, while they're predominantly based on Scandinavian culture small elements of Scottish culture are also included in there, as well as the fact I really identified with their political situation in Skyrim.

Books to support this? The only ones I've seen specificly state humans originated from Atmora, then fled due to snake people eating them.
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Post » Thu Jun 14, 2012 2:35 am

@stomson18

You believe in restricting people from different countries and from other cultures from going to 'your' country because you're afraid they'll dilute the countries culture because they breed so fast.

How can you view that as anything other than racist?
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Post » Thu Jun 14, 2012 5:32 pm

I really wish I could remember. I definetely read or heard it somewhere in Skyrim..
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Post » Thu Jun 14, 2012 5:05 pm

@stomson18

You believe in restricting people from different countries and from other cultures from going to 'your' country because you're afraid they'll dilute the countries culture because they breed so fast.

How can you view that as anything other than racist?

Well it's happening all around Europe at the moment isn't it ? It's not just a fear it's a fact.

I was always told racism was a hatred of other races based on fear or superiority, I don't think my race is superior and I don't fear other peoples and cultures, however I do wish to protect my own.

It IS just conservationism. If a certain species of animal was about to become exctinct wouldn't you do something to protect it ?
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Post » Thu Jun 14, 2012 5:43 am



Books to support this? The only ones I've seen specificly state humans originated from Atmora, then fled due to snake people eating them.

All life begun on Tamriel. During the Ehlnofex wars of the Dawn Era the Aldmeri were pushed into the Summerset Isles, the Yokudans were stranded on Yokuda and the Nedes in Atmora.
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Post » Thu Jun 14, 2012 6:37 am

I really wish I could remember. I definetely read or heard it somewhere in Skyrim..

Keep in mind, I'm taking into account the lore set up by bethesda over 5 games. If they retconned the lore in Skyrim, I've yet to find it.
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Post » Thu Jun 14, 2012 4:04 am

"The spiritual relationship between the Nords and breath is crucial to understanding Nordic beliefs and motivations. They believe Kyne breathed life into them at the http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Throat_of_the_World, the highest mountain in Skyrim.http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Nord#cite_note-COTS-0http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Nord#cite_note-PGE1S-3 Another creation myth involves the http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Ehlnofey, wandering progenitors of the http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Mythic_Era, some of whom journeyed to Atmora and became the Nords.http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Nord#cite_note-TAA-9 The two stories are not necessarily in conflict, as they both seem to suggest that Nordic ancestors emerged in Skyrim, settled in Atmora, then returned. Regardless, the Nords believe that their breath and voice are their vital essence, and that by uttering shouts in the http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Dragon_Language, they can channel their essence to perform incredible feats."


This is it.


http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Nord
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Post » Thu Jun 14, 2012 5:34 am

Well it's happening all around Europe at the moment isn't it ? It's not just a fear it's a fact.

I was always told racism was a hatred of other races based on fear or superiority, I don't think my race is superior and I don't fear other peoples and cultures, however I do wish to protect my own.

It IS just conservationism. If a certain species of animal was about to become exctinct wouldn't you do something to protect it ?

You're just repeating things you've heard that sound vaguely scary and support your inherent distrust of non-natives. It has no basis in reality. There's no getting through to you so how about we agree to disagree?
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Post » Thu Jun 14, 2012 3:48 am

Well no I don't have a distrust of non-natives. I have many friends of Asian origin, many of them actually agree with me that immigration should be limited amazingly. My counry is a small one, we don't want it to be some overpopulated concrete jungle like some others are these days. The only thing that seems to bind multicultural societies together is the pursuit of wealth, when that wealth goes what will stop the society from descending into bitter ethnic clashes and infighting ?

Are you suggesting that non-European immigrants aren't breeding much faster than Europeans ? And that a massive demographic shift isn't currently underway ? That's neutral EU figures with no agenda that are showing this.
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Post » Thu Jun 14, 2012 1:02 pm

"The spiritual relationship between the Nords and breath is crucial to understanding Nordic beliefs and motivations. They believe Kyne breathed life into them at the http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Throat_of_the_World, the highest mountain in Skyrim.http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Nord#cite_note-COTS-0http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Nord#cite_note-PGE1S-3 Another creation myth involves the http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Ehlnofey, wandering progenitors of the http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Mythic_Era, some of whom journeyed to Atmora and became the Nords.http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Nord#cite_note-TAA-9 The two stories are not necessarily in conflict, as they both seem to suggest that Nordic ancestors emerged in Skyrim, settled in Atmora, then returned. Regardless, the Nords believe that their breath and voice are their vital essence, and that by uttering shouts in the http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Dragon_Language, they can channel their essence to perform incredible feats."


This is it.


http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Nord

Well, that's new to me.

Nords are still scumbags just like everyone else.
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