Since when are Redguards... white?

Post » Tue Jun 05, 2012 11:32 pm

The Asians are Khajiit since the Akavir are a mystery.
The Khajiit live in a desert, they're more like Arabian Cats

Asians are Akaviri, although it's more like Eastern Asian Snakes rather than Asian, but the architecture and design style simply screams Eastern Asia (China, Japan, Korea), and the glyphs seem to be Chinese, traditional or simplified
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Post » Tue Jun 05, 2012 2:48 pm

The Khajiit live in a desert, they're more like Arabian Cats

Asians are Akaviri, although it's more like Eastern Asian Snakes rather than Asian, but the architecture and design style simply screams Eastern Asia (China, Japan, Korea), and the glyphs seem to be Chinese, traditional or simplified

Part of China is a desert too.
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Post » Tue Jun 05, 2012 1:05 pm

I wonder if Shinji was beast-like or humanoid. But yeah, we need an Akavir themed game asap. And another Redguard one.
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Post » Tue Jun 05, 2012 1:03 pm

http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/In_My_Time_of_Need

Everyone knows this quest. In the game she looks like a Redguard. Dark skin, looking pretty much like African in the real world. However in that link she looks like a white/Caucasian girl.

Also, I noticed several Alik'r during the quest appear to be white/Caucasian as well. Why is that? I thought Redguards where DARK skinned?

I know it's petty but it is annoying to me being big on true-to-lore stuff. You can make a white Redguard character, as well as a black Nord. Lol, I r sew comfoozed.

Hammerfell is a land situated with a massive dandy desert slap bang in the middle - a bit like North Africa with the Sahara desert. The Redguard appearance tends to vary from a Mali looking west African
http://lonelyasamushroomcloud.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/ymelda_5_redguards_2.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mali_Empire
To an Arabian berber / moorish look
http://images.wikia.com/elderscrolls/images/2/2c/SepLnUp_Redguard_b3%26c5.png
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9e/Nomadic_Berber_in_Morocco.jpg

Like the people of North Africa to the north of Sahara have years of relations with the people of Europe, I'm guessing the Redguards on the side closest to Cyrodil & High Rock are similar.




The Khajiit live in a desert, they're more like Arabian Cats

Asians are Akaviri, although it's more like Eastern Asian Snakes rather than Asian, but the architecture and design style simply screams Eastern Asia (China, Japan, Korea), and the glyphs seem to be Chinese, traditional or simplified

or Indian cats. I think the poster meany Indian when they said "Asian". India like Elsweyr is jungle through to the great sandy Thar desert of Rajasthan.

The Elven races can also be oriental influenced - Morag Tong is from an oriental word, forbidden city (Altmer capital) is also ancient name for Beijing, Dunmer wastelanders live in yurts which are tents used by Turkic / Mongolian people



Part of China is a desert too.
much like the wastelands of Vvardenfell
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Post » Tue Jun 05, 2012 2:44 pm

Part of China is a desert too.
Yes, but considering that we have never seen Khajiiti glyphs or architecture, compared to Akaviri ones Akavir wins hands down as "Asia" representation (Asia as in the Eastern Asia, as that's what will come to mind when people mention "Asia")

Besides, Asia is not only China: Asia encompasses South East Asia (which, in ancient times and traditionally, look kinda like Forsworn), Middle East Asia (which is Arabians, and as such, Redguards) and part of Russia (which could be Nords, depending on how you think) too. Not to mention the other races such as Mongols and Philippinos.

As such, depending on how you think about it, 3 human races in Skyrim are already Asian. Or not.
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Post » Tue Jun 05, 2012 6:47 pm

That is just the screenshot's lighting. I have seen her many times in game and she is darker then that.
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Post » Tue Jun 05, 2012 5:47 pm

http://lonelyasamushroomcloud.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/ymelda_5_redguards_2.jpg
http://images.wikia.com/elderscrolls/images/2/2c/SepLnUp_Redguard_b3%26c5.png

Where did you find these people? I still haven't run into any African Africans ... :(

So ... Reguards are North Africans, the Akavir are Asians, and the Khajiit are Indians/Arabians. Makes sense.
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Post » Tue Jun 05, 2012 11:15 pm

Where did you find these people? I still haven't run into any African Africans ... :(

What about the Redguards native to Whiterun? Do you not think they look African?
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Post » Tue Jun 05, 2012 1:22 pm

A lot of you are misunderstanding me.

I posted the picture as an example to how some Redguards in the game look white. I wasn't saying that actual character is white. She's dark skinned in my game as well.

All the races in TES games have some variation with their skin color. Besides, Redguards are Redguards, not Africans. Their culture is much more inspired by the Middle-East than, say Western Africa. Hammerfell (generally) doesn't have temples, they have mosques, etc.
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Post » Wed Jun 06, 2012 1:55 am

What about the Redguards native to Whiterun? Do you not think they look African?

Yeah, there's Nazeem. Who could forget him? lol. And then that guy who asks to find his sword. And their wives.
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Post » Wed Jun 06, 2012 12:12 am

Their culture is much more inspired by the Middle-East than, say Western Africa. Hammerfell (generally) doesn't have temples, they have mosques, etc.

Mosques only came with Islam. That wasn't until way passed 1000ad in many countries. Prior to that they all had temples. Have you ever seen pictures of North Africa? It looks exactly like Middle Eastern culture. The two are greatly interlinked.
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Post » Tue Jun 05, 2012 5:53 pm

Mosques only came with Islam. That wasn't until way passed 1000ad in many countries. Prior to that they all had temples. Have you ever seen pictures of North Africa? It looks exactly like Middle Eastern culture. The two are greatly interlinked.

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Ebonarm. And I've been to North Africa. That's why I didn't mention North Africa. I mentioned Western Africa.
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Post » Tue Jun 05, 2012 7:43 pm

Maybe she's interracial? Skyrim is pretty open for such things, remember?
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Post » Tue Jun 05, 2012 12:47 pm

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Ebonarm. And I've been to North Africa. That's why I didn't mention North Africa. I mentioned Western Africa.

yh lost me completely?? What has mosques got to do with Hammerfell in the first place?? I never mentioned them. This is a fantasy game that does mirror certain influences from our own ancient world?

We were talking about the appearance of the Redguard ranging from lighter Arabian / Mediterranean to black African and I mentioned the fact it is centred on a massive desert which to me is like the Sahara desert which also happens to have people ranging from black African to lighter Arabian / Mediterranean looking people living around it.
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Post » Tue Jun 05, 2012 4:04 pm

Tell me, where in the lore does it say Redguards are black? If you're going to accuse Beth of inconsistencies at least know what you're talking about.
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Post » Tue Jun 05, 2012 9:52 pm

Redguards white?You are not the only one having problems my friend.High elfs on my game are green....seryilious..here's the link:
http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1324859-thalmor-the-greatest-treat-in-tamrielnot-a-problem-dragonborn-is-here/page__fromsearch__1
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Post » Wed Jun 06, 2012 1:43 am

Tell me, where in the lore does it say Redguards are black? If you're going to accuse Beth of inconsistencies at least know what you're talking about.

Since when have all African races been black any how?
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Post » Tue Jun 05, 2012 12:03 pm

I think Imperials have often been just as dark btw. But it's just more mediterranean. Senna (the priestess of Dibella) almost looks like a Redguard, but apparently, she's Imperial.
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Post » Tue Jun 05, 2012 1:32 pm

I haven't seen any Light Skinned Redguards nor is it possible to have one without mods.
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Post » Tue Jun 05, 2012 3:43 pm

I haven't seen any Light Skinned Redguards nor is it possible to have one without mods.

Yeah, if you create one, the lighest they go is kind of dark olive. Not close to caucasian.

The OP (I think?) does have a funny point about dark skinned Nords though. I wonder what the deal is with Vignar Grey-Mane. That, coupled with his cowboy accent cracks me up. He reminds me more of an old Indian (Native American) or something.
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Post » Tue Jun 05, 2012 3:39 pm

What about the Redguards native to Whiterun? Do you not think they look African?

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/File:SR-npc-Amren.jpg, http://www.uesp.net/wiki/File:SR-Whiterun-Saffir.png http://www.uesp.net/wiki/File:SR_npc_Brenuin.jpg http://www.uesp.net/wiki/File:SR-npc-Saadia.jpg. I guess http://www.uesp.net/wiki/File:SR-npc-Nazeem.jpg's alright, but even he's not quite right.

http://www.theol.unibe.ch/ist/images/mbiti.jpg http://dailymaverick.co.za/photo/resize/2011-12-05-edit2011-sa-person-of-the-year-thuli-madonsela-main-photo/618/408 http://www.unmultimedia.org/radio/english/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/fatou-bensouda_icc1.jpg http://www.lnsart.com/SudanSlaveWomanTV.jpg http://theaijournal.com/beta/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/nigerian_sisters.jpg http://www.tac.org.za/userfiles/image/south-african-president.jpg http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2009/4/3/1238778073708/Nigerian-author-Chimamand-002.jpg http://www.2dramasports.com/crying%20nigerian%20fan.jpg http://www.naijajams.com/gallery/albums/naija-musicians-artists/Smokey_of_JJC_419_Squad_with_upcoming_London_based_Nigerian_rapper_X2_Silverspoon_Club.jpeg.

Not a lot of them in TES ...
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Post » Tue Jun 05, 2012 11:29 am

Alright, you're trolling, aren't you?

Time to move on from what I thought was a serious thread.
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Post » Tue Jun 05, 2012 4:46 pm

Alright, you're trolling, aren't you?

Time to move on from what I thought was a serious thread.

Me? No, I'm serious. The first time I've noticed a Redguard that actually looks like a black African was when Kraigus Maximus posted those screenshots.
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Post » Wed Jun 06, 2012 2:18 am

they look more middle eastern than white, which makes sense since they have a huge desert in hammerfell
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Post » Tue Jun 05, 2012 4:05 pm

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/File:SR-npc-Amren.jpg, http://www.uesp.net/wiki/File:SR-Whiterun-Saffir.png http://www.uesp.net/wiki/File:SR_npc_Brenuin.jpg http://www.uesp.net/wiki/File:SR-npc-Saadia.jpg. I guess http://www.uesp.net/wiki/File:SR-npc-Nazeem.jpg's alright, but even he's not quite right.

http://www.theol.unibe.ch/ist/images/mbiti.jpg http://dailymaverick.co.za/photo/resize/2011-12-05-edit2011-sa-person-of-the-year-thuli-madonsela-main-photo/618/408 http://www.unmultimedia.org/radio/english/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/fatou-bensouda_icc1.jpg http://www.lnsart.com/SudanSlaveWomanTV.jpg http://theaijournal.com/beta/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/nigerian_sisters.jpg http://www.tac.org.za/userfiles/image/south-african-president.jpg http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2009/4/3/1238778073708/Nigerian-author-Chimamand-002.jpg http://www.2dramasports.com/crying%20nigerian%20fan.jpg http://www.naijajams.com/gallery/albums/naija-musicians-artists/Smokey_of_JJC_419_Squad_with_upcoming_London_based_Nigerian_rapper_X2_Silverspoon_Club.jpeg.

Not a lot of them in TES ...

too bad redguards don't come from africa....
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