She looks like a Black woman to me and this coming from a Black man. All the Redguards in game look fine to me except all the woman seem to have this tired beat down look.

Never saw that picture before but I have to add some of us are light skinned,myself included so it doesnt bug me.

My Redguard is light skinned, it can be done. Wish I could post a pic but xbox and all that .

You really cant say that the Akiviri are Asian, and the Redguards are black. They aren't based on one type of people. Though they have those influences, all the game's races are a blend of many real-life cultures.

You know, I must check if Redguards still have brown palms instead of white. I noticed in Oblivion and Fallout 3, black people have black palms instead of white. Yes, black people`s palms and bottom of feet are WHITE.

It`s so easy to tell when white (or other people) have never really met a black person before... Even in a computer game.

that's because the redguards aren't any real-life race, but a fantasy race. They have whatever eyes they want, even if they are influenced by real life african and middle-eastern look.

http://i.imgur.com/zaRsV.jpg

It's much more likely that the palms on dark skinned people in these games are dark for the same reason people have no armpit hair. It was considered an unneccessary detail (in that it would probably go unnoticed by most players, no matter what their ethnicity is). Software developers tend to, and have to, sometimes leave out detail to manage development effort and cost.

ETA: Oh, and http://www.uesp.net/wiki/File:SR-img-Development_Team.jpg. Lots of different ethnicities there. I'd be willing to bet that they've all seen a black person before. Some even in the mirror, by the looks of it.

If you create a Redguard, you can lighten it's skin tone so much that it looks Caucasian. It may even be possible to give it blond hair although I'm not sure on that.

As already said, Redguard is NOT a real race. It's a fantasy race as much as Imperials or Nords are fantasy races. Don't expect it to look like any real world race. If you so choose you can certainly make a Redguard which looks like a real world African, but you don't have to.

But as an aside, even in the real world not all dark skinned people originate from Africa. All it means is some of their ancesters originated from a fairly low latitude and such. I think I heard once that the Australian aborigines are dark skinned and certainly don't originate from Africa (at least no more then anyone does).

I assume you are white. I suppose if they made you have black palms and black bottoms of feet that`d be ok then? Also consider how much `influence a black person may have. If he`s at the bottom of the pecking order, probably none.
Some games managed to do it right, like Far Cry 2.

p.s. just seeing a black person isn`t enough to knowing a black person. You can work by them all day and still know nothing about them.

How do you know that is a Redguard?

There are black people with light skin...But a Redguard with light skin is so absurd...?

No, Redguards are a mixture. They're based off Africans in terms of their outward appearance and facial structures...and based off various other people such as the Jamaicans, the people of the old carribean, the middle east [in reference to many of the Redguard names], as well as the people of Chad and Sudan. Possibly a number of other races/people.

Why does it matter what color a person is?

If you 've been to North Africa , then you should know , North Africans are not black at all , they are white for more than 95% of them , except the Sahara Tuareg nomad people

Actually the Redguards in TES lore take inspiration from two things in human real history IMHO :

- The Nubians (Sudan , Ethiopia etc ) at the time of Ancien Egyptians ( Nubians and East Africans in general have different complexion than Western africans , usually slimer traits , like thinner nose , less black , not as bulky on average etc , like the Redguards in game

- the Almoravids/Almohads Black Africans mercenaries or slave warriors that they brought from Mauritania , Mali , Senegal etc.. , who were numerous in their armies that invaded and submitted Spain for several centuries (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Almoravid_dynasty) , people in europe back then would call them Saracens

- the Persian and Arab civilisation for the Redguard culture , fashion , weapons etc..

Well IMHO , just my opinion

Which is why I never mentioned North Africa in the first place. Not until Kraigus Maximus brought it up.
Sorry to be blunt, but maybe you should read the thread before posting in it next time?

Im pretty sure thats a Breton. What makes you think thats redguard? Not proof, but check this link:
http://skyrimguild.com/picking-your-race-in-skyrim/

Killmoms, one of the character artists, said it was a Redguard on the forums.

They couldn't get them to look like they were supposed to?

Cheers

I think he was mistaken or misinterpreted then. Got a link?

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_6LWjP0sZ22w/Srb69b1DmEI/AAAAAAAAGGM/RIrYYowFw6c/darkskin5.jpghttp://www.eanext.com/wp-content/plugins/wp-o-matic/cache/f03a8_african-american-haircut-330x454.jpghttp://thestudyofracialism.org/forum/354/albino_aa.jpg

This.

Nice ad hominem. "You're white so you couldn't possibly understand. "


It'd certainly raise an eyebrow if they'd go through the extra work of making the character's palms and feet have different color to the rest of their body. Which isn't what happened here. All the races in the game get their palm colors based on the rest of their skin. No Bosmer, Dunmer or Redguard is getting special treatment. Probably because that saved the artists' time. People don't have toes in this game either, in case you haven't noticed?


In any company, if a person is at the "bottom of the pecking order", they will by definition have very little say. Regardless of their ethnic background. Also, are you actually accusing gamesas of racial discrimination in the workplace? Got anything to back that up with?

I think the reason why the Raga Da in Skyrim are so "white" is because they're Forebearers; the more progressive and cosmopolitan faction of Hammerfell society that makes up most of the traders, craftsmen, and warriors. They're more open to influences from the other races which may probably include couples as well. When they invaded Hammerfell, they also took over some Breton, Nord, and Imperial settlements along the way. Like any other intelligent army, they'd rather assimiliate them, than have to deal with another war. That may explain why they have a more Middle Eastern or Northern African look and feel to them, as opposed to the lore which describes Redguards as more Sub-Saharan; dark skin, black kinky hair, broader features, god-kings, isolated cultures etc. which may pertain more the Crowns, the nobles of Hammerfell, who want to maintain both the ways and royal blood of Yokuda. Which makes sense because they're a mix of Middle Eastern and African cultures. Either way, you can't really expect a set appearance from that in game or in real life.

Still, I was more disappointed in the voices than the appearances. The Redguards in this game sound like Imperials or Bretons, and I was hoping for something more exotic.

Black people come in many shades of brown. Some are lighter (Beyonce Knowles), while others are darker (Wesley Snipes).