I agree OP, beth svcks at writing and all that other stuff XD did I mention TESO looks like [censored]?




But we love your disclaimers Omega D:
Funny thing I showed my bro who TESO who thought it would be great, first 2 mins into how it looks and what they were talking about at E3 (watched the whole thing...want my life back) and he was totally agreeing that it looks like [censored] and is basicly WOW with a TES skin on it with more butcherd lore! i MEAN come on! Beth already butchers their own lore when its written in stone why do we need more people?

I was thinking "Is this Longknife in disguise?"
It still could be......

I think 1 and 2 where 2nd era, not 3rd

I agree with you that Bethesda should have added werebears.

MK-{OmegaX}, hello.


But you haven't played it, have you?

Okay doctor phil, I think you didn't need to go on about what he posted. He makes very valid points.

My theory is that Even though Bethesda studios isn't developing it, Zernimax might be considering that if the online TES is a success, that means that the series a whole ought to be as well. Sorry, I git a bad feeling about their motivations for making TES online

its two different developers Bethesda makes single player elder scrolls

Zenimax is making the MMO

i wouldnt worry, even is ESO flops, Bethesda wont be affected that much, they made [censored] ton of money on skyrim, Actually is ESO Flops, Zenimax will pour as much money as ppossible in ES6 to make up for lost profits of ESO

Your the only one to view a lot of what you view negatively Jack. If you hate Skyrim so much, how about just stick to Daggerfall/Morrowind?

you're not the only one but you're certainly one of the most extreme. Pretty much disagree with you all across the board. Skyrim is to me a worthy continuation of the series just like Morrowind and Oblivion. Then again I dislike Daggerfall and believe the series roleplaying started with Morrowind so we have little in common in tastes I suspect

Well, someone had to write the daedric quests and Oblivion's thieves guild

He doesn't need to play it, if he thinks it looks like complete [censored] *my words not his* than thats all he needs honestly.

Hello, dmel25.


Was that meant as a compliment?


I'm guessing you might have missed this bit in my post:


The fact some of his points can withstand the absence of personal remarks should mean they are valid.

He's right, let's face it. Even myself who is a strong lover of Skyrim admit that the writing is TERRIBLE. Who wrote out those guard lines and thought they were good, seriously? They have to have been a joke, especially the sweetroll line...

Someone new needs to be hired to do the player dialogue choices, I've had so many facepalm moments when engaging in dialogue, sometimes it feels like it was written out for a 13 year old to be simple enough. I would also like more focus on making at least some characters have a decent amount of depth instead of one layer.

Good read, some valued points I actually diden't mind cw quest line, I thought the dark brotherhood was written allright and the rest was average. Dawnguard looks good storywise but thats cos they're all working on it.

Nope. Arena-Oblivion all dealt with the same Uriel Septim, within the same 100 years.

By the way, just out of curiousity....


Who else remembers escaping Helgen with Hadvar or Ralof and there's that part where they follow a stream until it reaches a rock wall. When you reach the rock wall, they stop, stare at it, turn around a full 180° to look at you, then say "looks like that doesn't go anywhere, let's try this way," referring to the well-lit path just to their right.

It was in that moment that I knew Skyrim's writing would svck. Anyone else the same?

Fair enough, Oblivions writing wasn't fantastic, but the guilds were far and above Skyrims. I never finished all the Daedric quests though, I think the only one I didn't do was Hermaeus Mora's quest.

So then, What really changed between then and now? I've heard people blame Skyrims issues on a variety of things, not the least of which was their insistence on sticking with their scheduled release date instead of delaying it. IMO that was a lose/lose situation. Delay it, and people complain about the delay being unnecessary. Release on time, and people complain it's the buggiest game they've ever played and demand a refund. Personally, I think that excuse is full of [censored].

I wouldn't exactly say that the creative minds behind Skyrim (and TES as a whole for that matter) are underdeveloped...it's that the creative minds are in general segregated from the actual game. All those books you can read that tell entertaining short stories or detail sweeping historical accounts of epic battles and legendary events? That's all the writers' doing, and that's pretty much all that they contribute. Those one-note characters that populate the world? And those uninspired quests that exist in their own vacuums and never live up to the hype that their backstories purport? Those are done by people who specialize in designing game levels, not in telling stories.

He hates because he cares like ME fans raged over ME3's ending and sent EA green , red and yellow muffins that all tasted the same , hate because we care

Also why do you assume he plays COD just because he doesnt agree with what you think ? your post displayed the same attitude as the one you were mocking , I'm not attacking or insulting you or anything , I know your just sick of whiners and yes skyrim is a great game , OP states that too but you have to admit the the guilds and civil war stories were sooo half assed , I mean ...


companions : he can hold a sword , he is the chosen one
theives guild : he made it past 3 beggars in rags , one of which was blind , he is the chosen one
dark brotherhood : he killed an old woman ... truly he is a force to be reckoned with , we must go out of our way to recruit this grizzled veteran
mages guild : an incredibly rare and dangerous artifact ! ? better let the new recruit handle all its affairs and make sure the arch mage is barely involved and no one shows any interest in this supposedly all powerful artifact

And the Civil war was totally some fort hopping adventure and you never felt like you were in an actual war , i mean come on , you took markarth and the whole reach by sabotaging 1 single measly caravan ?

Now I love skyrim and I can't stop playing it but I have to heavily RP to get into it and not face the terrible writing in all the main quest lines , however the MQ ie Alduin was great but the ending had no bang , when I first finished it I actually went online looking for the ending seeing if I was supposed to do something else or if i missed something

Skyrim is awesome but all the big questlines with exception to the theives guild to be fair , they had no satisfying ending , it just sort of ended and your like "oh .... it's over ? " writers for oblivion were much better IMO storywise

Edit: Deadric quests were so awesome though

We REALLY need to look up who was responsible for Oblivion's Thieves' Guild and campaign for them to be in charge of writing....

You can take the doctor phil thing however you want, I was just saying that because you sounded like doctor phil. I just think his argument was valid, and you are the only person who seems to have a problem with his personal remarks.

Beth makes the single player games and will continue to --> stated by beth
TESO is zenimax's thing (with beth getting a cut I imagine )

Who knows? If TESO is a huge success Zenimax may delay deveploment of TES6 to keep people playing it. Maybe BGS' next two games are Fallout 4 and Fallout 5

I think their point is that Zenimax is the parent company of both. If Zenimax online bombs, then that's a wasted investment. Zenimax online is an obvious investment because the company is new and didn't have a chance to earn it's money beforehand.
Now if it bombs and Zenimax loses money it was expecting to get back, then that's bad. That could mean less funding is available to Bethesda for their next title.