Hello again.


Yes, I do have a problem with it. I have a problem with someone accusing devs he, presumably, does not know at all of being "creatively underdeveloped", especially because he does not need such accusations to prove his point. A lot of other factors could account for a creatively underdeveloped game besides creatively underdeveloped devs.

I'm gonna say No I haven't played it (obviously), I'm also going to state that I haven't followed it religiously since there's next to no public information about it. I will also state I'm a TES devoted fan and its going to be some kind of trial not to get it.

and finally I state that I didn't say the game will svck, nor did I imply it (OUTRIGHT anyway) just that like all the other Awesome in concept MMO's that have popped up claiming to be WOW killers, because of TESO's not really bringing something new to the MMO plate (IMO) things can get rocky.

I'm not gonna lie, I'm not really rooting for Zenimax I was aroused at the phrase The Elderscrolls and it stopped before it reached online, I also want that Dragon Tiger Eagle thing as a pendant because its apart of TES and looks awesome as hell. but under no circumstances will I delude myself into thinking TESO is going to do sixy enough to warrant its concept.


and Sorry for Derailing.

Onto Jacks Point (liberated from Long knife, which really only compounds the fortitude of their opposition) It could have been placed better, but get your jaws off of how he said it and focus more on what he's saying. lets put the MK the Awesome writer to the side abit.

the instances in TES were the writing is good is in the blasted books, and depending on who you talk to the MQ of Morrowind, some of the Guild quests in Oblivion, etc etc it varies. but Skyrims writing is just...not their best work. I think something was inhibiting their muscle flexing, but the root issue is that the suffering of the story is also entwined with the CNC aspects, and depth of Skyrim. both are exceptionally bare and this has been a complaint since day one.

There is a reason why I buy games made by Bethesda and it's not because I like the game because I don't really.
I love what the modding community does with the game that's the real reason I own many games made by this company, the community is awesome.

i agree with jack....... i do miss spell crafting

*happy sigh* oh how good it is to have you back *hugs*

You know all this went over my head it was just "derp" to me :/

I am pretty sure that every long-term player of Skyrim has seen all of these faults and maybe some more but I personally don't mind. Yeah the quests in oblivion are better but I would say that oblivion was more of a childs game that Skyrim. Skyrim does lack a certain realism which makes it look rushed and their is a huge lack of voice actors but I don't mind, I can look past a flaws and enjoy the game instead of trolling on a Bethesda forum about how bad Bethesda is.

Hi again.


A number of extensive interviews have been aired recently. Footage is scarse but I would imagine that for now you are more interested in the conceptual approach they took. Hey, I'm not championing TESO or anything. Let's wait and see.

what articles are people reading ? the art style looks like wow yeah but thats so old computers can run it too , they can't go for photorealism or it would be laggy as hell , the only similarity in it to WOW is the art style that's it
I know this is off -topic but I seriously doubt anyone who read even half the articles would say it's like WoW , and don't trust interviews with anyone not from the game or youtube videos , alot of them are misinformed heavily


Ah right , yeah I guess thats true , lets hope TESO doesn't bomb and that people actually read about it and not watch some 3 minute video , sorry if I seem to rage about people saying TESO is like WoW , just the TESO forums are full of people saying it's a WoW clone , then get proven wrong and say its a DAoC clone ,get proven wrong , GW2 clone , so sorry if I came across as an ass

Took you that long?

I was at: "Stay close to me if you want to stay [alive] that way". And that's using the 3 strikes rule.

Hadvaar: You chose a bad time to return home Kinsman: (Maybe I was always living in Skyrim?! HUH???)
Raloff[AFter seeing a huge dragon]: WAS THAT THING REALLY A DRAGON??


Still, Skyrim rules. I'm glad Bethesda doesn't get hung up on their lore. Nothing ruins a franchise like letting yourself be written into a corner. (See: Star Wars)

yea, not reading another long winded rant

Skyrim has more voice actors than Oblivion did, that's not the issue. The issue is it's poor writing.

There are those that will argue that you can't have good voice acting and have a well written story at the same time, That's a bunch of hogwsah. You can have both without losing to much of either.

I laughed to myself earlier today as i had a bounty in the reach of 50 gold and I wasent aware of this talked to a guard to see if he had an random banter.. and he recognisd me and asked me to surrender and I said can you really be bothered taking me in and he said no il let you of. I felt the need to arrest myself I was ashamed and the even more annoying thing is he said this beside two of his fellow guards I find that a lal bit silly.

Off Topica-

I didn't say it would be like WOW, I said It didn't have anything to offer that would ensure it didn't get Iceberged by WOW, and again MAH OPINIONS.


and its good to see you too Lunami.

and Debunk i'm not bashing it, simply a concern that a TES IP could get tanked for the first time in just under a Decade.

Point being, I hate MMOs to begin with,was excited at the look of it but it seems to be crushing lore left and right (not that beth doesn't do that already) from what I have heard on the boards and even than I don't like paying monthly fees for a game I already paid for, has never made sense to me except that they want more money.

Hell, I've complained a lot about shallowness, which I think is particularly evident in the quests, guilds, and overall storytelling. Can't comment on books, as I'm not an avid in-game reader. When you say "something was inhibiting their (devs) muscle flexing", what do you mean?

The voice actors seem poorly placed. The bad voice acting in Skyrim is simply due to improper management.



They used the same formula as New Vegas, but lack the same quality of characters. Whereas New Vegas makes sure to book really high quality voice actors for Mr. House, Father Elijah and Ulysses (to name a couple), those characters all can have conversations with you that exceed 30 minutes of length. Molag Bal, Clavicus Vile and Sheogorath may have unique voice actors, fine, but I'm literally only going to talk to them for 5 minutes. After that I go back to hearing nothing but Arnold Schwarzeneggar. The formula simply isn't appropriate for a game like Skyrim and they should've mixed up the voice actors a bit rather than making the voice actors exclusive to certain characters.

The accents are so inconsistent it's laughable. To this day I have no idea what kind of accent they were going for (sure as hell doesn't sound like any scandinavian person I know), but that's not so important. I mean ok, it is embarassing if they order the voice actors to do a scandinavian accent, the voice actor does his best Arnold Schwarzeneggar (Austria) and the directors think "perfect," but at least in the game context itself, there hasn't been an established accent for nords, so they can literally do no wrong.
But the inconsistency! One moment a character is pronouncing it "kom-raids" and the next moment they pronounce it "kom-rads." People simply don't do this in real life, but the people of Skyrim do this all the time. Everyone has their own way of pronouncing a word and often times the same person will go from pronouncing a word or sound one way to pronouncing it completely different. I don't know if this is such a problem for everyone, but for me it breaks my immersion. I have a lot of friends (A LOT) from different cultures and backrounds so I guess I have experience with languages (either learning basic phrases in multiple languages or hearing the sound and consistency of each language on a regular basis) and the dialect of Skyrim just doesn't come off as realistic at all to me.

theres so many errors with the second section that i can tell this your first elder scrolls game...welcome and thanks for hating

yea the characters may be hollow but theres no live action rpg game (or any game imo) that can even touch the grand beauty that is skyrim.

I challenge you to name a game that offers you the freedom to be who you want and do what you want while playing how you want and still progressing your character and leveling up? Don't name previous TES games or fallout because they fall under the same family...i mean games that bethesda isn't involved in since your so against them and their creation

I may have alot of beef with the bugs and some features that i dont agree with but i still love skyrim as i loved oblivion before it

It's mostly because the game was almost assuredly rushed and a LOT of content was cut at the (relatively speaking) last second.

You are not.

The mighty Irken Empire!

On topic, while the game may have some lackluster features, attacking the people behind it on a personal level doesn't seem warranted.

Longknife, Hi!


I do have to agree. Voice acting is terribly disapointing in Skyrim. As you point out, the inconsistency is on par with amateur work. Of course, there are a few exceptional performances, such as Ulfric's, which is quite simply superb, but the ensemble is a disconnected patchwork.

I agree with the OP , I mean really the lack of depth in Skyrim is too much, I can't immerse myself fully.... mmm there's something missing from the previous TES games,but yes it's a great game, but not a great TES game.

There is no game that has everything. It will never exist. Skyrim has it's flaws, but it's good nonetheless. And insulting the developers is not very nice of you tbh. I reckon they worked extremely hard to get this out of the door at 11-11-11. While this might not have been the best of ideas, I think it was very uncalled for.

I think ulfric his best buddy galmer and tullius and legate rikki were all written well. I like them all they all appealed to me. (+sheograth)

Hello REL_Dovahkin!


On this issue, we think alike.