I have to disagree about the boss fights. I actually really like the boss fights. Even though they were hard they still always offered certain ways to win If you were inquisitive enough. Skyrim boss fights become very samey as you go along and eventually most become forgettable. Plus skyrim boss fights can be won cheaply if ur able to get the bass to glitch and stop attacking you and get stuck. That happened to me in back to bak instances at the mages college. I don't ever recall having a situation like that in deus ex. I felt more like tha bosses would never let up and I was constantly under high pressure, the way I like it. I also like how they each had their own theme and way of attacking a la metal gear solid. That said deus ex boss fights were excrutiatingly hard to a point and I would actually save up praxis points so i could figure out a way to win using an augmentation i could do it. That adds a whole new level that skyrim doesn't offer as perks are more general upgrades especially at low levels. I kind of follow the sam practice in skyrim where I don level up immediately just incase I need the health magicka stamina recharge.

Do it, you will not regret it. Skyrim is very good, but DX:HR is excellent. Definitely my game of the year.

I'm sure the fans of those games will be pleased. It's nice to share the cheer, no?

That's my point. So why would giving them awards make things any better for the future. Does anybody really think that Bethesda care about the problems gamers are having? They say they do and they fix some of the things, but only to show the world "Hey look we're trying to fix it". If they really cared they would fix every problem no matter how long it takes. I'm not stupid I know no game can ever be bug free, but they keep doing it. Look at Oblivion and FO3. They'll keep making games in a half-arsed way and people like myself will still keep buying them but they can only keep making and releasing buggy games for so long before enough people get truly pissed and won't buy them anymore. They will be the downfall of their own success.

So this is why I don't think it should get ANY awards for the game until THEY have fixed it across multiple platforms. As good as the game is and however much I love it, it doesn't deserve awards in it's current state.

was that because you had to reload a previous save to get the bookshelf working?

the cheer is shared. I'm glad I played all those games

and I know I've been talking up deus ex cuz it probably my fav this year but these is one aspect I really like about skyrims formula that isn't really possible/effective with deus ex:

that you cam start a brand new game and totally focus on a different build and completeing totally different aspects of the world

jensen always gonna be the same only with different augmentations

deus ex does offer many more ways to approach each level though so thatS where alot of the replayibility comes in. And it becomes more of a thinking mans puzzle solving game.

I've played all three. Portal 2 was amazing. I fell in love with Portal when I played it on the Orange Box. So much so, that I didn't bother playing either of the other two games in that thing. Portal 2 was amazing. The only reason it didn't surpass the original is because the original was just THAT good and THAT novel. It did, in my opinion, match it however.

Deus Ex: HR. Great game. I had a fantastic time playing it, thoroughly enjoyed the worlds. I started playing it about 1.5 weeks before Skyrim came out. I *almost* finished it. Then I put it down, because I had Skyrim. I was seriously within 1-2 hours of completing the game, and I put it down, and I haven't felt the need to pick it back up. I've put in well over 200 hours into Skyrim now, and I still don't need to finish Deus Ex: HR yet. I believe that I will be putting another 100 hours into Skyrim at least before I need to look at that. I bought the latest AC game too. Haven't touched it. Only have it because I pre-ordered it. Neither myself, nor my wife have any pressing need to play that either. We have Skyrim to save and explore, guilds to crash (read: become the leader of) and dragons to pet (read: kill).

Edit: I'm not fixing that... but wtf? Why did all that html end up in my post? I typed in notepad, zero formatting, then pasted here (I'm at work at it's less conspicuous than the black background on the forum.)

I'm not sure why Forbes is even commenting on games, but I do agree that Deus Ex Revolution and Portal 2 are much better and much more complete games than Skyrim.

Just because something is bigger and louder, doesn't mean it's better.

I agree 100%, but I don't think anybody, even Valve, should get away with selling a 4 hour experience as a full price game.

Treyarch and Infinity Ward get away with it all the time

Touché

Oh snap, but at least multiplayer is usually a big part of their games.

To be fair, wasn't there some kind of MP in Portal?

But the average SP game I think is about 7 hours. I think people on here are blowing the game time of proportion to try and make their argument more valid.

The average SP game is abput 15 hours, (at least of SP games worth buying)

I love Skyrim, but I have to agree that Deus Ex: HR has a much more compelling and engaging story. I couldn't have cared less about Skyrim's story. It actually felt like more of an annoyance than anything. The game gave me no real reasons to care about the story or any sense of urgency/importance that it needed to be done.

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That is a rip off but I beleive portal is one of the most of not the most innovative franchises this generation. The whole portal thing blew everyones mind and it's just a simple game mechanic executed to perfection. Skyrim is awesome and just throws the kitchen sink at you while not comin up with anything particularly innovative but just kind of borrowing aspects of other games. They each have their strngths and weaknesses.

Skyrim has gotten more GOTYs than It hasn't, and some of the most important (and unespected in some cases, see IGN): Spike TV's VGA (Probably the most important of them all), IGN, PCgamer, and a long stupid list. The game is still awesome, and some people will prefer other games. Get the [censored] over IT.

You may be right, but sixty dollars for four hours? That is barely more than the third lord of the rings film which only costs a fraction of that. Take into consideration the people who don't have online capabilities as well.

The Elder Scrolls and Fallout 3 may be exceptions, but any game sold at that price should have at least twelve hours of content.

It has MP and I just quickly looked on Amazon and Portal 2 is ￡21.99 on console and ￡12.99 on PC.

Agree, short game lengths like Dungeon Siege 3 make me want to pull the hair out of my head. Those type of games shouldn't be full price, Portal 2 included.

It has been out for quite some time now

DS2 on the other hand was awesome

Portal 2 has more innovation in it's one gameplay mechanic than all of skyrim put together. That's worth just as much money as length.

I got Deus Ex for 10€ in a sale right now. Going to see if it holds up! Hard to beat Skyrim though, even with all its flaws it's at least my game of the year.