Christmas is coming in Jan for modders. I hope Santa keeps his promise.

I love the game. The only mods I use are for enhancing the water, sky, textures, etc. I like the mechanics and gameplay.

Aaand this is why I'm following the OP in not even buying Skyrim for a few months at least.

I don't mind if x y and z are overpowered if you abuse them to the maximum extreme.

But in Bethesda games, pretty much HALF of the skills, items, tactics, spells, etc you encounter will shatter the game into a million pieces. If you want any challenge at all you have to inhibit yourself at every turn. I'm not going to do that anymore when there are modders like Oscuro.

Yeah, when you can get a few difficulty mods in there and a few skill mods that balance them so you can use them to their limits you feel like you're doing all you can to be successful in the game. Rather than not looting anything (because you have 15000 gold) or not upgrading a weapon, because then the challenge would be gone.

Balancing has never been Bethesda's strong point. Nor writing. Nor graphics. Good thing they have the world desing and mod support going for them

Daggerfall isn't perfect, that's for sure. But it is amazing. But if you want to find out for yourself, there's nothing stopping you. Go ahead and get the full game here for free. Yes, it's the official release

http://www.elderscrolls.com/daggerfall/

While you're at it, you may want to try Arena also...

http://www.elderscrolls.com/arena/

Just know that you will need DosBox or something similar in order to play the games on modern computers. Also, if the graphics don't turn you off, the control scheme may. If you make it past those two issues, you may just fall in love



Hahaha, I know. I was just taking an easy shot at the devs ;-P
Also trying to make sure I wasn't seeming to praise myself.

I keep hearing this over and over. I mean, when you say you tried your absolute BEST to gimp yourself fearing the "one shot" kills, how far did you go with it?

I like the fact that I can make a powerful character, and have that chance to take out certain creatures/characters in one shot. But by no means do I one shot everything, and I haven't done any gimping what-so-ever. So either I'm missing out of some little secret that be so overpowered, or maybe I'm just not that good at it. Yes, I can with my bow, in sneak, do a lot of damage. Damage like a 2-handed weapon, but from far away, and I like it. Sometimes they don't die after one hit. Depending on how strong they are, sometimes it barely hurts them at all. Even my sword takes a few good swings to take somebody/something down at times. And my armor certainly doesn't protect me as much as I wish in certain situations. All that said, I have not gone out of my way to really exploit any areas of the game, although my smithing and enchanting are up to 100 each.

I think what you'll find is enemies may become sponges for damage, and for me, I don't find that as fun. Believe me, my character is certainly no sponge, and the right enemies can certainly take me down pretty quick if I'm not quick enough to down a few heal potions.

Meh. Glass half full

Yep, I'm in the same boat as you. Except I've played maybe 10 hours.

Magic is fail.

Enemy AI is just bad.

Character creation is lacking any true diversity.

They added some good features, but overall they removed too much good stuff. Just like when oblivion came out. Oblivion added some nice features, but removed a lot as well.

I mean, just look at the number of different spells for starters. They removed like 30 unique spells for godsake. They added in, what, like 5? Sorry, that's just bullsh!t.

It's just not worth playing until February-march, after modders start finishing some good mods.

By the way, I just reinstalled Daggerfall myself. I was having a crazy time trying to get the game to launch after I installed and closed it out once. It turns out you have to use the following command instead of the one in the instructions. Type...

fall z.cfg

instead of typing...

dagger


This may help...
http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Daggerfall:Running_Under_DOSBox

I love the vanilla Skryim just fine. But I'm one of those people who always wants to take things to the max. I honestly loved Oblivion vanilla too, but I still had it modded so heavy it was almost another game. It's just how I roll.

Yeah, because every PC user uses these mods.

Ah, a fellow journalist! I ran a similar story regarding console players and their lack of being able to mod Skyrim.

Regards,

Mamzer haPutz,
Avodah Zarah Daily, Los Angeles

This.

Just got the game a couple of days ago. Love it so far as it is but I am also looking forward to all the mods that are coming out. I got Oblivion long after it was released so there was a whole world of stuff to choose from. As a few have mentioned already what I appreciated most about my Oblivion experience and most likely will with Skyrim. It is the creativity and the ability to take an already great foundation and tailor the game to how I'd personally like to play. I've already found myself thinking while playing 'hope someone creates a mod for this or that' it would be cool. To me that ability to get mods and tailor is a plus for the game and entirety of the experience with the game over time.

I say time because with Oblivion it was not a game that I powered through and finished as quickly as possible. It was and still is (I occasionally revisit it) a game I played in between dozens of other games over a year or more. I think it's telling that Oblivion, even after a couple of years, is still sitting in my main game section on my shelf and not relegated to the collection shelf that gathers dust.

I played the game in a totally different manner then most if not all others. Usually I get a game and power through it. Sometimes finishing it within days. It then goes on the collection shelf. I also play MMOs (not Wow) which are also a totally different style. I have no desire to play, play, play right now and get to the end like I do with most other games and that's not a knock on the actual game. Something that would be with most other titles.

With Oblivion I ended up doing tons with more sandbox type mods. Spent hours building and growing gardens. (hope those mods are created). I got this cool armory mod with all the display rooms and spent hours getting and finding gear to fill it with. I wanted every display maniquin covered with complete sets of armor. I worked at creating and supplying my houses as realistically as possible. It was like a created my own quests and challenges using tools that came from the creativity of the community. None of which had anything to do with finishing it or 'progressing' my character in any other way then roleplaying it in my own imagination. When I got Oblivion I didn't have any plan to mod it or do all of these things. It just ended up that way. Heck it was even fun going through the dozens and dozens of mods and figuring out what to try. It was like I had a hand in creating my own game experience and wasn't forced to play it only as it was originally set.

For me all of this was and hopefully will be with Skyrim a plus. There's just no way the developer could or would make it and implement things that catered to me personally. I wouldn't expect them too. I mean I understand that many people would find growing a garden boring beyond belief and wonder why someone would spend so much time working on it. With the ability to mod it though I could do that sort of thing just because I enjoy.

In fact one of the main reasons I got Skyrim was because of the expectation that it will be similar to Oblivion in that what I got in the box was not what I was relegated to play with forever. This is a positive in my books.

I will be playing it casually because I am enjoying it, while waiting for the mod explosion. I'm excited about that. For me it adds to the game experience. There's no doubt I would get my moneys worth of entertainment from just the vanilla game if I chose too. It's a great game. The creativity and personal tailoring that will hopefully come with mods make it a step up from a great game to another favorite that hopefully won't relegate it to the collection shelf in a month or less.

Tell me why this is our problem they chose to play on inferior hardware?

Yeah these are great as well. I'm mainly waiting on the balance mods and the difficulty mods, making the game feel harder and more "epic" at any level. Those other little mods that add small things are always great though, just pick through the ones that float your boat.