When comparing Morrowind with Skyrim , one must not forget the latter came out 10 years later . Morrowind should be compared with the game of its era , the fact that people still talk about it today means how much innovative and a quality game it was at the time it went out . I'm not sure people will talk of Skyrim in 10 years , although i hope so (with expansions )

The question is in which ways Skyrim is an improvement over Morrowind in term of RPG content (number of items , npc , unique quests , depth of the lore , questlines , factions etc ) , and to what extent , given that computers and consoles have more than quadrupled in power and memory .

IMHO , it is especially an improvement in term of visuals and action gameplay and fluidity , they also have improved the credibility of the world with NPC having routines and dungeons having much better art design , these elements are important , but not RPG-content related .

The nostalgia argument is beside the point , there are objective ways to look at , to assess what has been lost and what has been gained in 10 years , between the two games IMHO

The nostalgia argument is valid because many people see Morrowind through rose-colored glassed and see it as the pinacle of game-development and point out flaws about Oblivion and Skyrim(mostly) where they argue that Morrowind offered more complexity, but cannot support their opinion with arguments other than "I like how they did it in MW better". If such argument were not used and people judged other games from a neutral(or as much as possible) and logic and entertainment-based viewpoint the nostalgia argument would be invalid. Sadly that is not the case.

Also: Would I compare Morrowind and Skyrim if the Morrowhiners bashed other games simply for not being Morrowind? Nope.

stop reading when you said puting the game on consoles was some kind of crime aganst good games (heads up, morrowind [oh the all mighty, the greatest thing ever in existance /sarcasm] was on console too). before that though op had a point, there is not enough story (and who could brag about beating a game with so little in the way of inticing quests?)

Yeah everything was better in the old days.

ITs another one of these threads, where people stretch out their opinions into massive walls of text, and think it makes their opinion more valid. I did not like morrowind, i kind of liked oblvion, and i really like skyrim, everyone has their own opinions, get over it, and realize a game is meant to be played, put down, and moved on from, it is not a replacement for your life, and should not take 1000 hours to do everything.

I think you need to read my arguments again because you have gotten them all wrong. I actually agree that one should move on and not be stuck in the past, and I think nostalgia is a bad thing when it comes to judging games.

I guess it's the one big thing that allows people to identify the growing numbers of games with less depth.. I mean, honestly, how many people are there on this site that say for a game to be good, it has to have good graphics?

That attitude is preposterous, bordering on insane.

For me, it's more that standards for what it takes to be a good game is dropping, rather than one group being responsible for those standards. After all, console gamers are just PC gamers who play on consoles, at the end of the day.

Graphics should not really matter they are an added bonus.

I agree its not the consoles that are to blame its the mindless masses that want a game with the depth of just running around and shooting things with an utter lack of thought about anything. It also seems most people never even bother with an RPGs story. So why would they roleplay. Bethesda needs to remember the older crowd and put some depth back into the series.

I agree with your last part too.

Its almost 4 am where i live, what can i say, im ddazed and not very comprehensive. >_<

Then we live in the same time-zone

Graphics dont need to be AMAZING, but they need to be at least average for a game to be enjoyable to me, and I know I am not alone there.

That is not my mindset, I can be happy playing an 8 bit game.
Graphics do not make a game great.

Graphics dont need to be AMAZING, but they need to be at least average for a game to be enjoyable to me, and I know I am not alone there.

Graphics should not really matter they are an added bonus.

I agree its not the consoles that are to blame its the mindless masses that want a game with the depth of just running around and shooting things with an utter lack of thought about anything. It also seems most people never even bother with an RPGs story. So why would they roleplay. Bethesda needs to remember the older crowd and put some depth back into the series.

I agree with your last part too.

I cant, sorry. Jut how I am, I need a little eye candy, CG scenes, or something

That is not my mindset, I can be happy playing an 8 bit game.
Graphics do not make a game great.

Why do you love Morrowind so much, and think it was a better game than the rest after all these years?

Todd Howard wasn't even in charge of that like he was when making the lesser Oblivion and Sky...

because the 30% - 20% "older crowd" is really gonna boast sales and grantee more sequels? ...