Morrowind is a crap game for many more reasons than no "pretty graphics". It had text based dialogue that allowed it to give you much more info, but. to me, it broke immersion. The biggest let down of Morrowind though, is the combat. The combat was god-awful and there is no defending a combat system where my sword literally goes through someone's head yet does not hit.

I prefer not to sound like the fabled "self entitled hardcoe Fanguy" that peolpe see to look down on now a dayws which is why I promote several statements.


Casuals do not make Skyrim.


hardcoe fans aren't the Holy grail.


NEITHER ARE ATTRACTED BY FOCUSING ON THEM, because "hardcoe" fans don't exist until they come and "Casuals" don't know what they want until the game comes out.


So stop trying to make the damn game for a Demographic, IT SCREWS SOMEONE OVER.


I like Morrowind because even for its Crap combat, especially at the time (hell gothic did it better) its poor graphics (TO TODAYS STANDARD) and Text Base dialoge (WHY IS THIS A BAD THING?) The people who made it DID NOT LET UP when they made it, no one was a Demographic, They Made it Introvertly of and In themselves without a "Target Audience" with one clear goal to get it into the Mainstream.

And no Todd Howard was not the Sole leader either, in fact these facts need to be straightend out because Ken Rolsten is getting Credit for Oblivion in his KOA announcements...I believe it was the other way around.

I agree with everything you have said.

I think we have both gotten our points across rather well.

Quantity is a very good thing in TES which we have been losing for years.
We agree overall on magic.
I still think that in Morrowind it felt like something new dungeon wise not loot wise: Oblivion was the same thing every inch with copy pasted areas and loot.
Again we agree on magic overall.

Cheers friend.

Morrowind was about the world and you could be who you wanted to be, it was not about the text with NPCs or the combat just like any other ES game.

Cheers, indeed, and when the next Elder Scroll is written may mages be unique, attributes have been revamped and quantity been added.

Here here to that my friend what a joyous day it will be!

Exactly. Yet people hold it to this grand standard of games. Thats why I say that nostalgia has a lot to do with it and anyone who wants to say "but I played it yesterday" I say to them, when was the last time you started a new game without mods? It is not a game that has stood the test of time without modding it

Each game has become more of an action adventure game than RPG since Daggerfall.

Skyrim is a very good action/adventure game, its not much of an RPG.

Yes but on here it is held at another standard a higher level because a lot of us feel these are the best games ever.

Some judge it harshly but I think that is because they respect the game for what it is. They also want more to it and that is not a bad thing, to want more.

A game can stand the test of time as long as it holds your interest, at this point and time I cannot mod it, I do not have a PC: I do know that I can enjoy in until the next one for sure without mods, even tho I want them.

I got to slightly disagree there. I play Morrowind and Oblivion unmodded(xbox) and I have played both games the last week. I still find them better than quite a few newer games. However, the overzealous love for MW on these forums are likely the result of nostalgia and exstensice modding.

The elder scrolls series is epic, no doubt. I love all 5 installments.

But if you want to lament the death of the TRUE rpg, than hold a memorial candle to Baldur's Gate, Planescape: Torment, and Icewind Dale. In my book, those games had truly EPIC stories and characters.

hm.....the word complexity really makes my cereal soggy nowadays

See, I also have it on xbox and I tried to play it the other day. Graphics aside I find it incredibly hard to get immersed in. I can rob a shop blind then sell it to the guys neighbor? I cant hit a damn cliffracer until I've trained in a combat skill to a medium level. Besides that the loading times are horrendous and (this is probably just me) I cannot get immersed (anymore) in text based dialogue games. Its like reading an encyclopedia, its not anywhere near having a conversation with someone.

That is because you are used mods on the first part.

The second, text based games are a personal preference, some of my favorite games ever are older RPGs that are loaded with text.

I've never used mods, I've never played on a comp, besides the early Starcraft and warcraft games.

Then it is a matter of opinion. I like it, you don't. The game have still a lot of value for me regardless of what you think of it. And I guess suspension of disbelief is a great virtue in RPG gaming.

I 100% disagree with this statement. If the dialogue was text would could have more in dpeth dialogues and much more opportunity for branching questlines (which you mention you wish there were more of later in your post). Fully voiced NPC's are a major limiting factor to depth in RPG's. It affects everything, even the activities of townsfolk. If they didn't have to cycle through radiant ai dialogue scripts they could actually be doing more stuff or interacting with each other in more meaningful ways. If every single line of dialogue didn't have to be voiced, branching pathlines for quests and NPC's reacting to your actions and your character more would be much easier to achieve.

I still think BG2 had the ratio of voice to text nailed perfectly. It made the characters with voiced lines really stand out (Irenicus was awesome) and it didn't bog the game down with having every single NPC voice every single line.

That is another reason for faster loads.

I so miss Warcraft.

It is.

Yet people seem to be lacking it when it comes to Skyrim, or at least, the people on these boards.

Well I think it lacks diversity compared to the previous games in the series which I do want that level of diversity to come back: that does not mean I cannot make a diverse character in this game, they are not as unique as I want them to be.

Sadly, yes, but then again it is to be expected. It wouldn't been called a virtue of it was easy to achieve or commonplace.

Please explain what you mean by diversity.

on the subject of text based dialouge i dont see why it couldnt be an option