Stormcloak victory canon : V - Skyrim

» Mon Jun 04, 2012 6:39 am

I'll admit to that. I almost think Galmar is part of the problem of why Ulfric even acts that way. I started a new character and I didn't notice before how Galmar kind of redirects Ulfric's attention a bit. There's a side to Ulfric that wants Nords to choose for themselves, but Galmar's passion overrides it.

Galmar makes it clear his hatred for elves in game. He thinks the whole Civil War is about driving the elves out of Skyrim.

» Mon Jun 04, 2012 3:20 am

He doesn't intend it to be Nords only against the Dominion.

He wants a Nord only Skyrim, and when he gets that and a [censored]storm falls on his head... Well he would like some help. If he fights back the Empire, chances are he isn't going to get other provinces to help him unless those provinces are also rebelling against the empire.

» Mon Jun 04, 2012 2:24 pm

Well if Skyrim becomes independant High Rock will have to make a decision.They seem fairly pragmatic so they would at least pay lip service to aiding Skyrim.

» Mon Jun 04, 2012 1:33 pm

Well if Skyrim becomes independant High Rock will have to make a decision.They seem fairly pragmatic so they would at least pay lip service to aiding Skyrim.

Bretons will likely feud between themselves without a central government.

» Mon Jun 04, 2012 1:40 am

He wants a Nord only Skyrim, and when he gets that and a [censored]storm falls on his head... Well he would like some help. If he fights back the Empire, chances are he isn't going to get other provinces to help him unless those provinces are also rebelling against the empire.

No, he doesn't.

» Mon Jun 04, 2012 8:06 am

Bretons will likely feud between themselves without a central government.

They do that now I believe.If Skyrim is independant High Rock will be separated from Cyrodil and I do not believe they will necessarily go all in with Skyrim but they will likely do just enough to maintain friendly relations with Skyrim if even just to maintain acess to trade routes between Cyrodil and High Rock.

» Mon Jun 04, 2012 7:29 am

They do that now I believe.If Skyrim is independant High Rock will be separated from Cyrodil and I do not believe they will necessarily go all in with Skyrim but they will likely do just enough to maintain friendly relations with Skyrim if even just to maintain acess to trade routes between Cyrodil and High Rock.

Except some Bretons believe they are natives to parts of Skyrim. Ulfric will have to deal with Forwsworns. So there surely will be a war between the two.

» Sun Jun 03, 2012 11:59 pm

Except some Bretons believe they are natives to parts of Skyrim. Ulfric will have to deal with Forwsworns. So there surely will be a war between the two.

Forsworn aren't really breton, and the Bretons of High Rock despise the reachmen(Forsworn).

» Mon Jun 04, 2012 3:05 am

Forsworn aren't really breton, and the Bretons of High Rock despise the reachmen(Forsworn).

So Talos is not really a Nord.

» Mon Jun 04, 2012 12:26 am

Except some Bretons believe they are natives to parts of Skyrim. Ulfric will have to deal with Forwsworns. So there surely will be a war between the two.

So in one post the Bretons feud between themselves and in one a unified force ready to invade Skyrim.Please pick one theme for the Bretons you believe to be true

» Mon Jun 04, 2012 2:49 pm

So Talos is not really a Nord.

Correct. Talos is 2 nords and an imperial. Although technically now, he might be classified as something else.

» Mon Jun 04, 2012 1:16 pm

So in one post the Bretons feud between themselves and in one a unified force ready to invade Skyrim.Please pick one theme for the Bretons you believe to be true

I didn't say there was going to be a united Bretons attacking Skyrim. I just said Ulfric will have to battle the Forsworns who happen to be Breton by race. Besides Ulfric invaded the Reach. And the Forsworns won't back down from Nord occupation.

» Mon Jun 04, 2012 3:55 pm

Talos is anything. He could be from High Rock or Atmora. Or maybe just a Nord from High Rock.

The forsworn may as well be bretons, since that's their racial template in game. Ethnic bretons at least.

» Mon Jun 04, 2012 8:59 am

Correct. Talos is 2 nords and an imperial. Although technically now, he might be classified as something else.

Actually, some say he is a Breton who came to live in Skyrim. Who know what he really is? His defintely not an Imperial by race.

» Mon Jun 04, 2012 2:07 pm

Actually, some say he is a Breton who came to live in Skyrim. Who know what he really is? His defintely not an Imperial by race.

The Ghost of Old Hroldan seems to confirm Arcturian Heresy. Sure there's still room for a little doubt. But that story makes the most sense out of all the other tales of his apotheosis.

» Mon Jun 04, 2012 3:57 am

I didn't say there was going to be a united Bretons attacking Skyrim. I just said Ulfric will have to battle the Forsworns who happen to be Breton by race. Besides Ulfric invaded the Reach. And the Forsworns won't back down from Nord occupation.

The impression I got from the post was that High Rock would attack Skyrim in support of the forsworn.
Whoever wins will have to deal with the forsworn Stormcloak or Empire so I am not sure of your point

» Mon Jun 04, 2012 2:15 pm

The impression I got from the post was that High Rock would attack Skyrim in support of the forsworn.
Whoever wins will have to deal with the forsworn Stormcloak or Empire so I am not sure of your point

My point is it is very unlikely that there will ever be a High Rock and Skyrim Alliance. Especially without Imperial governance. They'll just fall in to regional feuds with no central government.

» Mon Jun 04, 2012 1:42 pm

The Ghost of Old Hroldan seems to confirm Arcturian Heresy. Sure there's still room for a little doubt. But that story makes the most sense out of all the other tales of his apotheosis.

The Ghost only mentions the name Hjalti, from what I remember. Unless I'm missing something? What side was that Ghost fighting for in that battlefield? He says something about Hjalti making a promise or some kind of battle bond.. but I can't tell if they were fighting on the side of the Nords or with the "Tiber Septim" mentioned in the book on Sancre Tor. Or if Hjalti is the Tiber Septim of Sancre Tor.

The fact that he calls YOU, the PC, Hjalti is even more strange.. but whatever. Beside the point.

» Mon Jun 04, 2012 10:57 am

My point is it is very unlikely that there will ever be a High Rock and Skyrim Alliance. Especially without Imperial governance. They'll just fall in to regional feuds with no central government.

What is the basis of this argument? I'm pretty sure the Bretons don't want to be wiped out by Thalmor. Skyrim promising not to attempt to rule them like the empire did would be a decent incentive for them. Doubly so if they've already secured a hammerfell alliance to support their southern border.

The Ghost only mentions the name Hjalti, from what I remember. Unless I'm missing something? What side was that Ghost fighting for in that battlefield? He says something about Hjalti making a promise or some kind of battle bond.. but I can't tell if they were fighting on the side of the Nords or with the "Tiber Septim" mentioned in the book on Sancre Tor. Or if Hjalti is the Tiber Septim of Sancre Tor.

The fact that he calls YOU, the PC, Hjalti is even more strange.. but whatever. Beside the point.

Hjalti is from Arcturian Heresy. Stated as Tiber's real name Hjalti Early-Beard isn't very Bretonish(Though he is rumored to have been born in high rock). He mistakes you for Hjalti because when nords looked upon him after his visit with the greybeards, they saw only a dragon. He saw the same with you.

» Mon Jun 04, 2012 3:44 am

He wants a Nord only Skyrim, and when he gets that and a [censored]storm falls on his head... Well he would like some help. If he fights back the Empire, chances are he isn't going to get other provinces to help him unless those provinces are also rebelling against the empire.

Me: Its not just Nords that live in skyrim
Galmar: Fair enough....

Even his hard headed 2nd in command accepts that Nords arent the only ones that call skyrim home. Its generally not a good idea to take a 4 word battle cry and try to intuit what a persons general feelings are.

» Mon Jun 04, 2012 10:24 am

Hjalti is from Arcturian Heresy. Stated as Tiber's real name Hjalti Early-Beard isn't very Bretonish(Though he is rumored to have been born in high rock). He mistakes you for Hjalti because when nords looked upon him after his visit with the greybeards, they saw only a dragon. He saw the same with you.

Ah.. The dragon thing didn't even register to me. Did you just figure that out or does he say something like that? I don't remember.

I know Hjalti is from the Arcturian Heresy... but there's another story where Tiber Septim is another guy and Hjalti and Wulfarth are on an opposing side to Septim.

Like I said earlier, Talos' history is a mess. Maybe because of Lorkhan. Isn't Lorkhan pretty much the TES equivalent of Loki? It'd make sense if a deity like that screwed things up on this level.

» Mon Jun 04, 2012 12:04 pm

A lot of the confusion between Tiber and Wulfharth appears to have been intentional on their part. Wulfharth specifically attempts to make sure it doesn't seem like Tiber's in two places at once.

Lorkhan is somewhat of a trickster yes, but his attempts also seem to be for the purpose of allowing creation to transcend et'ada.

» Mon Jun 04, 2012 1:01 am

What is the basis of this argument? I'm pretty sure the Bretons don't want to be wiped out by Thalmor. Skyrim promising not to attempt to rule them like the empire did would be a decent incentive for them. Doubly so if they've already secured a hammerfell alliance to support their southern border.

Because, Bretons are not showing even a liitle bit of regret over the banning of Talos worship. The Redguards had every reason to dispute the WGC, because the Imperial handed over half of their land. Besides I still see no evidnce in game that suggests Thalmors are demising anythingelse besides the fall of the empire and policing of Talos worship.

» Mon Jun 04, 2012 3:36 pm

Because, Bretons are not showing even a liitle bit of regret over the banning of Talos worship. The Redguards had every reason to dispute the WGC, because the Imperial handed over half of their land. Besides I still see no evidnce in game that suggests Thalmors are demising anythingelse besides the fall of the empire and policing of Talos worship.

Bretons don't care about the Talos worship. The alliance would be one of mutual benefaction. Having two allies who don't care to reform the empire makes it easier to keep power over your province within your own province.

» Mon Jun 04, 2012 7:54 am

I'm calling it a Warp in the North.