It's not different- the redguard would not accept the terms that Cyrodiil had negotiated for them, and neither will Skyrim.

Ehh? I'm on your side.


Treason is a dangerous game
One that often sullies one's name

Opps i misinterpreted..Forgive me

Except Skyrim was not devasted by the War, Skyrim was not occupyed by Elves.

(I can't believe I'm letting myself get into this)

And? Cyrodiil has no businus ruling over Skyrim in the first place.

I have a question for you: Why can't Cyrodiil just leave? No war, no hatred. Both Skyrim and Cyrodiil would be willing to support each other since they won't hate each other. But I'll tell you why Cyrodiil remains: They are an Empire. They don't want Tamriel to be united. They want to own Tamriel.

Didn't nords start to hate elven kind when the Falmer slaughtered all there population till it was just Ysgramor and his sons?

You are talking about a game. Keep the real-world politics and stuff out of it please. I think this is the second time a moderator has had to come in and remove a post about Nazis and whatnot.

First of all, The Nords use to endorse the medes, The Ulfric turned there Disain into Hatred, Second, THE Bloody NORDS STarted the Empire!, Third Ulfric is POWER hungry, Everyone except his followers think so, He wants to OWN skyrim, Not unify it.

Who started the Empire?

The answer is Cuhlecain. A Colovian. Tiber Septim had him murdered to become the Emperor. During Tiber Septim's time, the majority of the Nords didn't care about the Empire. Their plan was to merely outlast it. The vast, vast, vast majoriy of Imperial troops came from Colovia. Skyrim did nothing. They fought Tiber, were traumatized into betraying their Breton allies, and meekly offered their support to Tiber. They did not start the Empire. The Nords are not one person.

Oh, and Tiber was from High Rock. Not Skyrim. His entire history is built on lies.

Even some Stormcloaks hate Ulfric. But Ulfric being scum should not stop the idea of a free Skyrim.

Wouldn't it be a pitiful ending if The Canon Dragonborn was burnt at the stake by the Vigilant of Stendarr with Thalmors cheering them on. Heresy, demora worsip, murder, robbery, extortion and a traitor. You name it, there isn't a single crime or sin dragonborn hasn't committed in this game except crimes againt children. I still can't see why there are views that try to justify siding with any or one of the factions in this game is considered actually morally good or better than joining with another.

That was Skyrim's first mistake, letting some two-bit Colovian thug take over the empire. Obviously they were minding their own business and didn't realize how disastrous the Medes would be down the road. Regardless, it's not the same empire, so whatever loyalty they had before is an old story. Since Cyrodiil is only taking care of its own, Skyrim should do the same.

All too true. There's actually NO compelling reason to "side" with either side in my view.

And you should not be bound to the oaths of your ancestors.

That depends on your belief-system....

True.

They made their oaths to a different empire.

I think there's a little detail people are missing about the conflict in Skyrim: it's a civil war. It's two groups of Nords (one with Imperial backing) fighting for what they believe is best for Skyrim. It's not a simple matter of Imperial aggression and it's very hard to compare to Hammerfell (who were abandoned by the Empire when they needed it most).

Also, the idea that being hungry for the throne is somehow a slight on Ulfric is a bit silly imho. I'd say most people who fight over positions of power tend to desire that power. Think Titus Mede was any different when he took the Imperial City?
Ulfric wants the throne, sure. That doesn't mean he doesn't truly believe he's acting in Skyrim's best interest. Doesn't mean he isn't actually acting in Skyrim's best interest either. It just means he has the will to see it through.

Most (except groups like the Battle-Born) Nords who side with the Imperials are actually siding with their Jarl, not the Empire. As soon as the Stormcloaks win, most of them stop caring. Even in Solitude.

I think his intentions are OK. I don't expect him to be a Paladin or anything. It's just that he seems to be of an impatient nature as well, and extreme in the way he feels the need to deliver his messages. I don't even have to mention the "Bear of Markarth". It could be false, for all I know. But situations we know as facts in game are extreme statements as well. It's like he wants to shock people as a first course (like with Torryg or Whiterun), instead of working anything out. And he excuses it as a war with the Empire - when his main victims are all Nords. If he was a real person trying to grab power in a country, he'd get blown away in an instant. He doesn't know how to be cool about it.

Thing is, though, Ulfric did not just come home and start a revolution. He had waited 30 years, a number of those in prison for something that imperial Nords had agreed to and then threw him under the bus for. After having been a prisoner of war and tortured in his service to that empire...

Also the fact that he acts is what sets him apart in a good way from someone like Tullius who's so tied up in knots by politicians that it's hard to respect him. It is part of Ulfric's character, starting with the fact that he couldn't sit around in a monastery while others were fighting the Dominion. It's definitely one of those things that can be both a strength and weakness depending on how you view it, and on whether he's able to keep control. I think he does a pretty good job considering that Galmar comes off as more fiery than he does.

I'll admit to that. I almost think Galmar is part of the problem of why Ulfric even acts that way. I started a new character and I didn't notice before how Galmar kind of redirects Ulfric's attention a bit. There's a side to Ulfric that wants Nords to choose for themselves, but Galmar's passion overrides it.

See.... I personally see Ulfric as Galmar's footstool....

Not that an éminence grise is unusual in history, or in game plotting. It's not.

My Dragonborn should be High King. He'd do good things:

- Keep trading with the Empire.
- Allow the Dunmer and Argonians to live anywhere.
- Ally Hammerfell
- Purge the prests of the Nine and reinstate the Nordic pantheon
- Make the Dominion my enemy.
- Attempt to get rid of racism.

You know, anything a good king would.

I personally don't think that Ulfric would stand a chance against the Thalmor. There just aren't enough Nords to fuel a Nord-only army against a nation. It would be a shame if Beth pushes a certain side winning on us in the end.

I think what will happen is in a DLC is both forces will have to unite and it won't matter at all which side won.

He doesn't intend it to be Nords only against the Dominion.