I support the Storm Cloaks

Post » Sat Jun 02, 2012 2:25 am

The empire were weak when they agreed to the piece treaty and should be punished for it IMO
Actually, it was originally the Snow Elves land then the Nords slaughtered them to near extinction.
Then they only let the Dunmer stay in flithy rat-infested slums and if you do the Imperial questline, the new Jarl is going to fix all of that.

They don't allow Argonians in Windhelm, which again is another sign of racism.
Obviously the Legion should be in charge, like they have been for so many years.


The Stormcloaks will make life easier for the Nords and harder for other races.
Legion will make life better for all races, equally.
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Post » Sat Jun 02, 2012 12:28 pm

Didn't Skyrim belong to the Forsworn first? Or actually, the Falmer? The Nords didn't "discover" skyrim. Thats like a white guy getting mad at Mexicans for "infesting" HIS land when it actually belonged to the Natives first. That said, I also side with the stormcloaks. The "they're racist" argument doesn't really cut it, cause obviously they're not all racist....that'd be like saying all Imperial souldiers love the elves; get a new buzword. There really isn't a "good" side at all, but the stormcloak cause is at least honorable, as a certain thane from Solitude will tell you.
Only the Reach belonged to the Forsworn (who are descents of Bretons) and they have same ancestors with Nords and Imperials.
When men came on Skyrim and built their settlements they found a friendship with Falmer and because of that it can be said they were allowed to live on Skyrim. But Falmer started to fear men because their number was growing fast and suddenly Falmer attacked at night and killed all the men except Ysgramor and his sons who were able to flee. Then Ysgramor returned from Atmora to Skyrim with 500 companions and wiped out the whole Falmer society to retaliate the deaths of his people. At that moment there was no rightful owners for the land anymore so Ysgramor claimed them.
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Post » Sat Jun 02, 2012 7:48 am

EDIT: I spammed.
I support the empire.
In my eyes the Stormcloaks are kinda racist, but not Ulfric.
Eh..
But Tamriel is better of united as an Empire, than torn to pieces by several lands dissolving from it.
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Post » Sat Jun 02, 2012 2:55 pm

Hmmm then a lot of our Countries must be racist too xD

Afghanistan, Iraq, Libyia.... *cough*
Oh how ironic a German calling out Americans for "taking land" maybe you should take a look at your own countries history. I won't taint this forum with Germany's history of FILTH. Occupation of Poland, Belgium, France, Italy, Hungary, Greece, Estonia, Denmark, Norway, Netherlands to name a few!!! Don't be so quick to point the finger at Americans, you people are guilty of much more and it makes you look like a fool to ignore your own history.
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Post » Sat Jun 02, 2012 2:00 am

I wouldn't compare the Stormcloak/Empire with any of those, personally I see the American Civil War as a better option.
I can't see this connection because in the American Civil War both sides were only citizens of United States - there was no foreign power in that one.
If you want to compare it to United States it's better to compare it to American Revolutionary War. There you have an Empire and rebels which is very similar situation to the one we have in Skyrim.
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Post » Sat Jun 02, 2012 12:53 am

Actually, it was originally the Snow Elves land then the Nords slaughtered them to near extinction.
Then they only let the Dunmer stay in flithy rat-infested slums and if you do the Imperial questline, the new Jarl is going to fix all of that.

They don't allow Argonians in Windhelm, which again is another sign of racism.
Obviously the Legion should be in charge, like they have been for so many years.


The Stormcloaks will make life easier for the Nords and harder for other races.
Legion will make life better for all races, equally.

The Snow Elves and Nords lived rather peacefully together until the nords stumbled upon the [redacted](spoilers). The Nords figured out what it was and tried to bury it again, but the snow elves wanted its power. The nords were attacked in the night known as "The Night of Tears". Ysgramir and survivors fled to Atmora. They returned with a vengeance, and the falmer hid underground with the dwemer.

The dunmer have been living in the gray quarter for over 150 years. Most of that time under imperial rule.

The argonian point is valid. But hardly indicative of the whole of the stormcloak movement.

Still need a source on stormcloaks making it hard on other races. The elf shopkeepers outnumber the nord shopkeepers by a good deal in windhelm. All guards of windhelm refer you to the dunmer shop for business(Making no mention of the nord ones). They seem to be doing fine in Riften too.

The legion makes life better for cyrodiil. It always has, but even more so since the Mede dynasty.
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Post » Sat Jun 02, 2012 7:28 am

Titus Mede II proposed the White Gold Concordat. Although the Thalmor initially wanted that, among other things, Mede eventually drove the them out of the Imperial City. Then he didn't even TRY to negotiate something better, and said let's just ban Talos to appease the enemies we defeated. He was easily in a position to do better, since the Thalmor were also weakened after that battle.
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Post » Sat Jun 02, 2012 10:11 am

I can't see this connection because in the American Civil War both sides were only citizens of United States - there was no foreign power in that one.
If you want to compare it to United States it's better to compare it to American Revolutionary War. There you have an Empire and rebels which is very similar situation to the one we have in Skyrim.

Well in a way it is. The South suceded because they felt that their way of life, or atleast their economy, was at risk. And races like the Argonians are kind of like the black soldiers in the civil war. But it isn't that similar to the Revolutionary War either. The Civil War in Skyrim involves 3 groups. The Rebels and the Empire, who essentially works for the Thalmor.
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Post » Sat Jun 02, 2012 6:30 am

Well in a way it is. The South suceded because they felt that their way of life, or atleast their economy, was at risk. And races like the Argonians are kind of like the black soldiers in the civil war. But it isn't that similar to the Revolutionary War either. The Civil War in Skyrim involves 3 groups. The Rebels and the Empire, who essentially works for the Thalmor.

??? I don't see any enslaved argonians or argonian legionaries.

Revolutionary War seems to be a much better fit.
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Post » Sat Jun 02, 2012 12:51 pm

So did the Empire. As far as i know it was the Empire who drove the Thalmor out of Cyrodiil, but the cost was steep. Both the Empire and the Thalmor were weakened. None had the strenght to put an end to the conflict and thus the White Gold Concordat was signed.

Maybe the Cyrodiil, but not the rest of the human provinces. Even after the WGC was signed and the Dominion didn't have to worry about fighting the empire anymore and could rebuild their resources, Hammerfell managed to drive them out alone.
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Post » Sat Jun 02, 2012 12:03 pm

Oh how ironic a German calling out Americans for "taking land" maybe you should take a look at your own countries history. I won't taint this forum with Germany's history of FILTH. Occupation of Poland, Belgium, France, Italy, Hungary, Greece, Estonia, Denmark, Norway, Netherlands to name a few!!! Don't be so quick to point the finger at Americans, you people are guilty of much more and it makes you look like a fool to ignore your own history.

Your own words that USA is taking lands. I didn't pointed them out so.....Better stop to talk about Politic here. And don't say USA is taking land. ^^
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Post » Sat Jun 02, 2012 2:09 pm

??? I don't see any enslaved argonians or argonian legionaries.

Revolutionary War seems to be a much better fit.

Argonians aren't enslaved, but they are an oppressed minority. Reguardless of who the Argonians fight for, their rights and treatment won't be that much better. It doesn't fit the Revolutionary war that well either. And the acts of Britain were not nearly as crass the Empire/Thalmor's is. Britain added small taxes and tried to set up a monopoly, the colonists were outraged. And it was only through propaganda that the war began. Britain in no way was 'oppressing' the colonies.
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Post » Sat Jun 02, 2012 12:24 am

Argonians aren't enslaved, but they are an oppressed minority.

Only in Windhelm. They own an inn and jewelry stall in Riften.
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Post » Sat Jun 02, 2012 12:27 am

Only in Windhelm. They own an inn and jewelry stall in Riften.

True. I guess it is different, given a city's history. Look at Windhelm, one of the oldest cities in Tamriel, the Jewel of Ysgramor, and the first Nord settlers. A very proud 'Nordic' feel to it. Riften on the other hand, is the seat of corruption and the thieve's guild, and thieving isn't exactly a Nord's strongsuit. However, what about the Khajiit? They aren't allowed into any of the cities. And the Khajiit benefit from neither side's victory.
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Post » Sat Jun 02, 2012 1:53 am

True. I guess it is different, given a city's history. Look at Windhelm, one of the oldest cities in Tamriel, the Jewel of Ysgramor, and the first Nord settlers. A very proud 'Nordic' feel to it. Riften on the other hand, is the seat of corruption and the thieve's guild, and thieving isn't exactly a Nord's strongsuit. However, what about the Khajiit? They aren't allowed into any of the cities. And the Khajiit benefit from neither side's victory.

I don't think Khajiit are barred. I think it's the caravans. No one that I can recall mentions all khajiit being banned. It's always in reference to the caravans because of their skooma trade.
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Post » Sat Jun 02, 2012 2:38 pm

Well in a way it is. The South suceded because they felt that their way of life, or atleast their economy, was at risk. And races like the Argonians are kind of like the black soldiers in the civil war. But it isn't that similar to the Revolutionary War either. The Civil War in Skyrim involves 3 groups. The Rebels and the Empire, who essentially works for the Thalmor.
The whole dominion/Thalmor component is missing from the civil war anology.

Actually, as pointed out higher, the Vichy government anology works very well.

- France was beaten by supremacist invaders (Thalmor/dominion)
- The invaders didn't push their advantage to the limit but found it more convenient to let the defeated keep a large part of their territory
- The remainig territories were ruled by a puppet goevrnment (Vichy government of Petain)
- France was obliged to permit the persecution policies of the invaders on its own territory (persecution af Talos worshippers)
- Resistance movements took up arms against the invaders and the puppet government (stormcloaks)
- Some outlying territories refused to accept the peace terms that were agreed to by their own government (The Free French troops aka Redguards) and went to war against the invaders
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Post » Sat Jun 02, 2012 7:40 am

dragon attacked, one guy legged it, the other lead me through to safety - i followed the guy that helped me in my time of need and he wasn't a stormcloak
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Post » Sat Jun 02, 2012 4:01 am

dragon attacked, one guy legged it, the other lead me through to safety - i followed the guy that helped me in my time of need and he wasn't a stormcloak
The stormcloak guy was there. And would have helped you, but you probably missed him. He's easy to miss.
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Post » Sat Jun 02, 2012 3:35 am

You really think so? The Cyrodiil is weak, infact, it is the weakest Human province as of right and it is the heart of Thalmor corruption. Hammerfell refused to accept the White-Gold Concordat, and the Empire was forced to renounce Hammerfell as a province. Well guess what? Hammerfell left the Empire and fought off the invading Aldmeri Dominion, keeping their land. This is why Redguards/Hammerfell harbor a strong hatred for both the Empire and Thalmor. If Hammerfell wasn't 'Thalmor Chow' without the Empire, then there is no reason why Skyrim or High-Rock wouldt be. As for the Empire, it is a former shadow of itself, and nothing more than a Thalmor puppet. Sure, the Empire might do something about it, but they really can't.

Make no mistake, i agree with you there. Your point is valid.

That is one mistake the Empire did renouncing Hammerfell as a province. Their hands are tied and their options narrowed down due to casualties of war. Maybe they could have used the strenght of the people from that region to help fighting off the remaining Aldmeri Dominion.
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Post » Sat Jun 02, 2012 3:14 am

Well in a way it is. The South suceded because they felt that their way of life, or atleast their economy, was at risk. And races like the Argonians are kind of like the black soldiers in the civil war. But it isn't that similar to the Revolutionary War either. The Civil War in Skyrim involves 3 groups. The Rebels and the Empire, who essentially works for the Thalmor.
Actually there was three groups - Don't forget the France which supported the rebel Americans because it was way to weaken British Empire. Of course the Thalmor is not supporting Stormcloaks, but they still have a kind of similar goal: to weaken the Empire of men.
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Post » Sat Jun 02, 2012 11:15 am

Still need a source on stormcloaks making it hard on other races.

Well the encounter you get once you enter Windhelm for the first time is pretty much self-explanatory.
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Post » Sat Jun 02, 2012 11:23 am

However, what about the Khajiit? They aren't allowed into any of the cities. And the Khajiit benefit from neither side's victory.

Single Khajiits can enter and leave the towns. But no Caravanes are wanted because they sell Skooma and Moonsugar and other "illegal" Stuff.
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Post » Sat Jun 02, 2012 10:40 am

The stormcloak guy was there. And would have helped you, but you probably missed him. He's easy to miss.
it seems i did indeed
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Post » Sat Jun 02, 2012 9:04 am

Actually there was three groups - Don't forget the France which supported the rebel Americans because it was way to weaken British Empire. Of course the Thalmor is not supporting Stormcloaks, but they still have a kind of similar goal: to weaken the Empire of men.

It is convenient for the Thalmor that the Stormcloaks initiate the rebellion. Remember Ulfric was set loose.
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Post » Sat Jun 02, 2012 3:37 am

My Altmer supports the Storm Cloaks because she wants to sever the ties between Cyrodil and Skyrim so that the Thalmor can invade and use Skyrim as a staging area as Hammerfell was lost to the Thalmor.
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