I have read it many times and because of your post I read it one more time. It still has nothing which blames Ulfric to have any kind of connection to Thalmor. Thalmor sees him as asset because he can cause the Empire's situation in Skyrim to be unstable. They want to make sure that he and his rebellion lives but they have nothing to do with Ulfric and the Stormcloaks. When Thalmor had their first war against the Empire they were able to capture Ulfric to be their prisoner. During the interrogation they recognized his value and they make it possible for Ulfric to escape (he didn't know that Thalmor allowed him to escape). Ulfric wasn't on a hunt. When the Imperials banned Talos Ulfric wanted to separate from Empire, but as a Jarl he is not the ruler of Skyrim who can make such a decision. So he challenged High King in a duel. It has been Nordic way through the centuries. After a fair battle Ulfric won and he should be crowned as High King. But this didn't fit in the Imperial politics and they refused the ways of the Nords and blamed Ulfric as murderer. This caused the civil war. Skyrim's rightfully High King is Ulfric Stormcloak by the Nordic traditions but the governor of Skyrim by the order of Emperor Titus Mede II is general Tullius. Which side you support in the civil war depends on which you believe is more legitimate: Imperial Law or Nordic Tradition.

The reguards won because the Empire had weakened Thalmor forces during the retaking of the Imperial City, the Thalmor also shifted most of their focus towards Cyrodil, they were fighting a battle on multiple fronts. How could the Stormcloaks on their own take on the Thalmor when Skyrim, Cyrodil, Highrock, and Hammerfall could not. It would be best for the Empire to unite and bide its time, wait for the Thalmor to show weakness and then hit them hard.

The Stormcloaks can hardly defeat the Empire, the Empire is fighting the Stormcloaks in their own land and yet the Stormcloaks still struggle to defeat them. How can they provide the Thalmor a "real challenge" if the can't even break away from the Empire. How can they win a war after just finishing one, without anytime to recover and gather resources. The Empire is protecting Skyrim.

Well why don't you go to Windhelm and see for yourself? Really...

How do the Stormcloaks struggle? The War was about to end because unlike General Tullius, Ulfric fights with his men, and as a result got ambushed and captured. The rebellion started in Windhelm, and it manages to claim half of Skyrim? I don't see what you mean by 'hardly' defeat the empire. Part of the WGC was the ceding of a large portion of Hammerfell to the Dominion. So the Dominion controlled alot more land than it did before, and the war with the Empire was over. Hammerfell was their greatest threat. I doubt they would just have a few soldiers there. Hammerfell's victory showed that after Red Ring, the Thalmor were much weaker than the humans thought. This is even more proven if most of the Thalmor's forces were directed at the Imperial City, because the empire fought off the Thalmor and took back their city. Surely that says soomething, and would've been a great morale booster. An Independant Skyrim is just as much of a threat as an Empire who is doesn't have it's hands full suppressing a civil war, if not more.

It was hardly as simple as that. You will have to do better than that

Exactly.

Ulfric did not claim half skyrim by force. He had allies to start with. He is struggling to hold on to what he got when he started the rebellion.

You said it was low of him to turn on the empire as soon as he had the chance.

What he actually did was help the imperials take back Markarth, and then they turned on him- as the jarl admits.

While Ulfric challenging Torryg (sp?) to a duel is very much Nordic, that doesn't make Ulfric High King. The Moot elects the High King, there has been no Moot since Torryg's death because of Ulfric's rebellion.

You said it was low of him to turn on the empire as soon as he had the chance.

What he actually did was help the imperials take back Markarth, and then they turned on him- as the jarl admits.

A wiki article is not proof of anything. They are written by fans and in this case give a rather lazy generalization. Brunwulf is one of Ulfric's advisors- he is frustrated that Ulfric doesn't take more of an interest in the Dunmer's problems, but that is just his perspective. He is also a bit of a pacifist, which colors his view.

That's the thing. People have opinions of Ulfric, contradictory ones. We are asking you for words out of Ulfric's mouth to support your contention. You said his own words convinced you, so there had to be something?

This is true. Holmlund, you should listen to him. All of this talk about Ulfric being a biggot is crazy.

Go with me on this... even if your playing ANY race, you get accepted into the storm cloaks. If Ulfric was such a biggot, and "Skyrim for the Nords" he would never allow any other race besides nord, become a champion on the stormcloaks.

A wiki article is not proof of anything. They are written by fans and in this case give a rather lazy generalization.

Ulfric did not claim half skyrim by force. He had allies to start with. He is struggling to hold on to what he got when he started the rebellion.
And another thing. Hammerfell did't loose anything acording to the WGC because Hammerfell is no longer part in the empire, and therefore they cant give away what is not theirs. The land stated was given in the WGC was relativly small. Even smaller if you dont want to count a mostly uninhabbited desert

How do the Stormcloaks struggle? The War was about to end because unlike General Tullius, Ulfric fights with his men, and as a result got ambushed and captured. The rebellion started in Windhelm, and it manages to claim half of Skyrim? I don't see what you mean by 'hardly' defeat the empire. Part of the WGC was the ceding of a large portion of Hammerfell to the Dominion. So the Dominion controlled alot more land than it did before, and the war with the Empire was over. Hammerfell was their greatest threat. I doubt they would just have a few soldiers there. Hammerfell's victory showed that after Red Ring, the Thalmor were much weaker than the humans thought. This is even more proven if most of the Thalmor's forces were directed at the Imperial City, because the empire fought off the Thalmor and took back their city. Surely that says soomething, and would've been a great morale booster. An Independant Skyrim is just as much of a threat as an Empire who is doesn't have it's hands full suppressing a civil war, if not more.

Yea he helped them take it back from the fornsworn right? He would then have permission to worship talos in Markarth as thanks. But what he did was to make such a fuss over that, that it grabed the attention of the Thalmor. That in turn made the Thalmor send justacars to Skyrim and now people cant even worship Talos in secret or unofissaly.

Excuse me but i don't like to repeat myself over and over. It is obvious to me that he is a racist leader. Whether that pleases you or not it's not my problem.

Whether he made a "fuss" or not is speculation. That's what the empire claims in The Bear of Markarth, but Igmund doesn't say that. He just says the Thalmor found out about it and admits it was foolish to think they could keep it a secret anyway.

My point is- Ulfric didn't turn on the empire as soon as he had the chance. A decade in a prison cell for him and his men, after having been tortured during his service to the empire, can make a man begin to question how the empire deals with its provinces, even apart from the WCG. He had obviously spoken about independence before (according to Elisif's advisors), but that was the final straw.

I support some of their ideals, like religious freedom. However i do not like their racism and ignorance towards other races, especially elves. While i do have at least two other chars that are doing the Stormcloak questline, they're not 100% pro stormcloak, i just can't roleplay a racist tool.

Other races came in and took thier land, How can you not be racist after that

What makes you think Stormcloaks are racists? There are surely some racists among them but does it make the whole organization to be racist? What I have learn about Stormcloaks is that they are redeeming Skyrim not working for racism. And if you compare them to Imperial Legion you can found same kind of people on the both sides. Do you think Imperials have any idea of equality? If you do so you are wrong. They may think every races are equal but that doesn't remove the fact that Imperials and their supporters are discriminating people. Discrimination because of religion or wealthiness is still injustice and is at least as worse as racism.