The Resistance : Othor Games

» Fri May 27, 2011 12:00 pm

Not to be mean but I kinda laugh at all these threads now... So many people think their side is the right way because of this and that. Well, there is no right side, there is no wrong side. It's all based on personal morals and opinions. I understand where both sides come from and their points of view on the situation.

I chose Resistance.

Hey, my post is relatively unbiased. Or, at least, I tried. Not that I put my thoughts down very eloquently, as I have a love of the comma.

» Fri May 27, 2011 6:49 am

I think theyre just doin a role playing sorta thing... I unno I dont get involved in that [censored], but i think its just something to help them pass time until the release... i bought Orange box to play TF2 just to pass some time

NO! Were fur realz... Those rebles r hard core bad guys, so if u wana be gud guy u better join security or ur as mucha bad guys as they r!

» Fri May 27, 2011 1:49 pm

NO! Were fur realz... Those rebles r hard core bad guys, so if u wana be gud guy u better join security or ur as mucha bad guys as they r!

lol. you sound like a guy i met on youtube that said unless i wanna be a satanist i needed to stop supporting the venus project. the difference though is since we are talking about an idealogical war between two fictional factions and he was being serious about something real is he is an idiot and your not.

i support ressistance because they want to leave the ark and the security is stopping them. plus the fact that the ressitance lives in squalor and the security gets top of the line equipment. I also agree with vying apprentice that it would be good if the ressistance left so there were would be less resources but still the security stops them. this makes me think they have a more devious agenda in mind. at leat thats what the magical cookie said. :cookie:

» Fri May 27, 2011 9:27 am

http://pix.motivatedphotos.com/2009/3/27/633737840304448160-whatdoyoufeelwhenyoushootaterrorist.jpg

» Fri May 27, 2011 7:22 am

resistance has cooler looking people

» Fri May 27, 2011 5:42 am

There are no ships left on the ark so the only way for the Resistance to leave is to pull apart the ark to build ships and that would destroy the ark so it could not run any more. So the Security are fighting to preserve the ark.

» Fri May 27, 2011 8:50 am

There are no ships left on the ark so the only way for the Resistance to leave is to pull apart the ark to build ships and that would destroy the ark so it could not run any more. So the Security are fighting to preserve the ark.

it wouldnt destroy it. it would just leave millions of people homeless

» Fri May 27, 2011 1:07 pm

it wouldnt destroy it. it would just leave millions of people homeless

There are only 40,000 to 50,000 people on the ark

» Fri May 27, 2011 4:46 am

There are only 40,000 to 50,000 people on the ark

crap. but most of those people will be going on the ships made of their own houses. i doubt any of the original residents are gonna go. the ones that actually have money

» Fri May 27, 2011 9:06 am

There are no ships left on the ark so the only way for the Resistance to leave is to pull apart the ark to build ships and that would destroy the ark so it could not run any more. So the Security are fighting to preserve the ark.

Well no, there are ships, but they are so old none of them are sail worthy.

» Fri May 27, 2011 6:09 am

crap. but most of those people will be going on the ships made of their own houses. i doubt any of the original residents are gonna go. the ones that actually have money

Anyway there is only three ways of powering a ship from the ark to the land (if there is any)
1. wind power- but the wind turbines are build for a large piece of flat ground so would not fit on a ship and the weight would also sink the ship.
2. wave power- but this needs to be very long and no ship could be build to fit one
3. nuclear power- the only real way of powering a ship but the reactor powers the ark so to take that, would mean that the people on the ark would be left with very power and they would die
So that is why if the Resistance wins they will kill everyone and if the Security wins maybe a few people live in slums.

» Fri May 27, 2011 1:48 am

3. nuclear power- the only real way of powering a ship but the reactor powers the ark so to take that, would mean that the people on the ark would be left with very power and they would die

you can survive without power

» Fri May 27, 2011 2:40 am

you can survive without power

Not when you are on a very flat island in the middle atlantic. Also some of the founders are celebrities and with out people taking pictures of them 24/7 they would go mad and kill each them.
So to say again Security future=good Reistance future=bad

» Fri May 27, 2011 5:33 pm

Well no, there are ships, but they are so old none of them are sail worthy.

http://www.brinkthegame.com/media/concept-art/

The concept image 3rd from the right, 1st column.

Security Personel definitely have access to an assortment of sea worthy craft, as well as helicopters. We can probably assume that the Resistance Fighters have atleast a small number of raggedy fishing trawlers, or other ships of the like, but definitely not anything substantial.

Regarding the topic, the game was designed so as to allow for either idealism to be correct. It was done in this manner to give the player a reason as to why he was fighting: a motivation. In my opinion, it is the Resistance who are at fault. They are, after all, humble guests upon a construct of another's belonging. Their cause, to utilize the ark's remaining resources in order to reach whatever is left of the world, is a ridiculous venture. If there were any souls who had survived the rising seas, they would have come in contact with the ark. It seems to me as though the Resistance resembles a mass of home sick children ( :cryvaultboy: ), who are simply to stubborn to realize that nothing remains of their home. They ought to simply get over it, and help with the preservation of humanity's last remaining nest egg.

» Fri May 27, 2011 4:44 pm

Well said Aspernatio. :goodjob:

» Fri May 27, 2011 5:09 am

Liberatos, the Ark needsw equality and since that isn't happening someone's gotta do something. Oh and I think they should try to reestablish contact with the outside world!

» Fri May 27, 2011 7:49 am

Me thinks you have an incredibly biased opinion. Me thinks that both sides have a reason for the decisions, with the majority of the Security being people who were once refugees picking up the job that gives them more, further unbalancing the resources in the Ark. While the people who actually keep the Ark afloat and working, the Founders and scientists and engineers try and act as if they can rebuild and grow society from a tiny boat island. The refugees who wanted to leave formed the Resistance, as they were not allowed to leave the Ark to search for any land or remnants of society. Those left joined the Security, furthering the imbalance and misuse of resources. Meanwhile leaving the Founders and scientists to further squander the resources on keeping themselves alive, instead of expanding the Ark. Of course the Resistances goal is right to them, they are not going about it in the most reasonable way, but the only way they can in a society in which the actual workers are expected to barely survive. Violence is not the answer, but as both sides see it as the only answer, so it shall be. Since apparently you don't conserve resources by allowing people to leave.

I also love how you make it sound as if the Security was already there, and like the refugees did nothing to help the Ark sustain itself. Yeah, that's fair. Since the people that can reach a scientific marvel in the end days are obviously completely unskilled morons. Also, completely explains why there are Engineers on both side. And Medics. Since both of those take no education or training.

Well its sounds bias but is the true if anyone every bothered to read the background on Brink instead of making there own ideas of how it is. The orignal Security force was nothing more then VIP protection and security for the scientists. So where does it say the vast majority of the Security were once refugees? Also I don't remember anyone making anyone stay on the Ark, but considering that we have heard no communication in the last 20 years I can understand why they wouldn't waste resources trying. The Founders let all the people on the Ark and spent the last 20 years trying to accomodate all of them and its basically impossible given the resources. Yes the refugees do maintinance but I don't see them as being key to the Ark's survival. Remember the Resisitance started this war.

There are only 40,000 to 50,000 people on the ark

I was designed to support 5000. No wonder there is a problem.

» Fri May 27, 2011 6:34 am

I also love how you make it sound as if the Security was already there, and like the refugees did nothing to help the Ark sustain itself. Yeah, that's fair. Since the people that can reach a scientific marvel in the end days are obviously completely unskilled morons. Also, completely explains why there are Engineers on both side. And Medics. Since both of those take no education or training.

yeah the refugees sound like really nice guys oh but wait a minute they brought guns with them so I guess they are really peace loving guys. NOT!

» Fri May 27, 2011 9:49 am

yeah the refugees sound like really nice guys oh but wait a minute they brought guns with them so I guess they are really peace loving guys. NOT!

who said they brought guns with them? because if the world was grtting flooded then the first thing i would take with me on my exodus to safety is an assault rifle

» Fri May 27, 2011 11:13 am

who said they brought guns with them? because if the world was grtting flooded then the first thing i would take with me on my exodus to safety is an assault rifle

Well first I would grab scuba gear then the assault rifle in case anyone tries to take my scuba gear.

So the Resistance stole all their weapons from the Security? Do you know how hard those things are to make?

» Fri May 27, 2011 2:00 am

So the Resistance stole all their weapons from the Security? Do you know how hard those things are to make?

or they were given to them

» Fri May 27, 2011 10:01 am

Well, you also have to think that the resistance may have stormed security outposts and have taken the weapons. However it does bare to mind how long a gun can function through constant use. How many times can these guns fire until they break. I don't think the Ark has a gun factory.

» Fri May 27, 2011 1:02 pm

Well its sounds bias but is the true if anyone every bothered to read the background on Brink instead of making there own ideas of how it is. The orignal Security force was nothing more then VIP protection and security for the scientists. So where does it say the vast majority of the Security were once refugees? Also I don't remember anyone making anyone stay on the Ark, but considering that we have heard no communication in the last 20 years I can understand why they wouldn't waste resources trying. The Founders let all the people on the Ark and spent the last 20 years trying to accomodate all of them and its basically impossible given the resources. Yes the refugees do maintinance but I don't see them as being key to the Ark's survival. Remember the Resisitance started this war.

I was designed to support 5000. No wonder there is a problem.

You expect me an island designed to house at most 5000 people, with probably no more than 500 people on it at a time has the same Security force it had before the disaster? Plus, the website is VERY unclear on who started the actual war. Have you read the website? The fact that the Guests have had worsening conditions over the 20 some years? The fact that the founders don't ration themselves is probably a pretty major factor into why the Ark is running out of resources. Yes, the refugees are key to the Ark's survival. It says so on the website. And the fact of the matter regarding the outside world thing is that NO ONE actually knows whether or not they are trying, nor have ever tried to contact the outside world. For all we are supposed to know, they still have contact with the outside world but are afraid.

At least admit that you too make assumptions and make your own ideas, since unless you found some magic source I haven't, there isn't very much background yet.

» Fri May 27, 2011 4:19 pm

Well the trigger of the civil war could have been that of the shot heard around the world. YOu have angry protesters, an almost army of armed gaurds holding them back. some one hears a gun and bullets start to fly. Another one bites the dust.

» Fri May 27, 2011 8:39 am

Also I don't remember anyone making anyone stay on the Ark, but considering that we have heard no communication in the last 20 years I can understand why they wouldn't waste resources trying.

ED Stern says that one reason for wanting to keep Resistance on the Ark is due to a waste of resources, BUT he mentions there is more to it than that. He couldn't give any details due to spolilers, but it does seem like there are some ulterior motives as to why they want to keep them on the Ark.

He asks Ed, "Why does Security wanna keep Resistance from getting off the Ark?" at 3:25. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vRap_h_xxs

Yes the refugees do maintinance but I don't see them as being key to the Ark's survival. Remember the Resisitance started this war.

But it's not as one sided as that, and all comes down to how you view it. Did the Resistance start the war because they were the ones to stand up and start the fight or did the Security start the war by provoking the Resistance by giving them less resources, using them as slave labor and giving them less than adequate living conditions?

In a real-world scenario, it's kinda like if a Government took away the civil liberties of the people and the people revolted - who's at fault?