Oh, I only mean when I'm playing a bookish mage that wouldn't know how to do that sort of thing. I also play characters that combine stealth and magic. One of my favorite builds, actually.

The message in my posts 'brah'.
Be told.

Ok my argument against your thread is this:

In OB many people felt that if you picked your seven skills then they would feel obligated to use those skills, like myself. So if i picked my alteration, resto, destro, blade, sneak, illusion, conjuration, then i would use only those schools and none from mysticism or i would never pick locks etc. Do you see what problems this created? People wouldn't be happy and would just start over. now you can build a character with as many main skills as possible.

I for one am sad to see them leave because i have seven skills that i mainly only focus on, so it doesnt bother me all that much. but classes are still here, you just don't pick and name one.

now the real question is, why did they take away our spell making?!!!!!

The only people that should use the term 'Brah' are Hawaiian Meth addicts that live in tents on the beach.


Don't mind Nelly, hes a blind fan boy that will defend any choice in Skyrim. If there were Open spells in Skyrim, and people were arguing against having them, Nell would be defending that instead.

Merari cannot accept another person's point of view.

Many of us longtime ES fans are -happy- with the direction, and don't see a degradation, but an evolution and an improvement.

But people like Merari and Erandur can't accept that, they have to constantly condescend us and tell us that we are wrong for our positive view of the game. Both have been insulting towards others with their views, Erandur a bit more blatantly than Merari, but both of them have been incredibly condescending and offensive towards people who enjoy the changes.

I have explained -IN DEPTH- many times why I believe Skyrim is an improvement over past games. But, Merari and Erandur don't "look at it from my point of view", like you are saying we should do for them. No, instead, they attack, say we are wrong, and insult us in the process.

I will not give a level of respect to Merari and Erandur that they are not willing to give to me.

And before you say that I do the same thing back to people who disagree with me - I have actually been very civil with people who can express their dislike of the game without resorting to terms like "dumbed down", and using emotional sensationalism to -attack-, and rather -express- their dislikes and why. I've had many of those moments with Thomas whatever his full screen name is. I believe I had one hostile exchange with him, but I have also seen many rational, and intelligence criticisms of the game that, while I don't agree with them, I respect them and can "see his point of view", because his point of view is civilly and intelligently expressed.

I cannot say the same for Merari and Erandur, and as long as they continue to be disrespectful, I will not "see their point of view" when they cannot offer me the same courtesy.

http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Shadowscale click that......... Shadowscales are rumored to be all done....they are gone, with one surviving member left.....

Precisely. Merari thinks any change to the series is blasphemy and cannot accept the evolution, but will only refer to it as degradation. And that's hilarious.

There are MANY (most, actually.) who love the changes being made. Merari is no one special.

Exactly, there's one. Which is enough precedent. LOL at people trying to say that in 200 years there is no more stars. They are all over the [censored] sky. Any argument lore related, you will lose. there are no more birth signs because they were too hard for newbs and dabblers. Going by Todd's own PR.

We ain't here to strike personal attacks people. I ain't no moderator, but at least I don't spell out names when I go rage mode

There is a huge difference in having 100s in all your attributes and having 100 in all skills. Not worrying about getting +5s means less overall skill gains(because your primary skills would presumable be more of your skillups) which will lead to less of a god-like character. 100 STR hits pretty hard, but if the blade skill is only 30 it's nothing like having a blade skill of 100.


And if you have read much of what I type on this forum, I am a fan of the attributes and also disliked how the level scaling worked in Oblivion. Naturally Bethesda treated all of the symptoms of the disease first. Then they treated the disease. Treating the disease would have been sufficient.

With the birth signs i wish they would've incorporated a +attribute bonus like in OB's.

Say with the mage you receive the normal benefit, except you also get +50 magicka. Same with the others, like warrior with +50 health etc..

Awww okay, gotcha!

Even though the game "organizes" skills under "Warrior", "Mage", and "Thief" (and subsequently, Guardian Stones give extra experience towards those "groups"), I don't look at skills as for particular archetypes, but rather just neutral skills that are there for the player to define his character with.

I don't see Lockpicking as a "Stealth" skill, but rather a skill to open locks, whatever the character.

My Morrowind character had a couple magic skills, but I didn't consider him a mage by any means, he had a couple arcane abilities to supplement his stealth abilities.

While Archery is considered a "Warrior" skill, I would utilize it on my stealth assassin character.

I don't know, I just say, if you want to get into a chest, use a lockpick. Don't look at it as a "stealth" skill, just look at it as a skill. My mage wears Heavy Armor. That's "out of character" or whatever, it's just what my mage does, and I don't consider him to be any less of a mage than a robe wearing mage.

And you are the one who think shadowscales exist. If you choose an argonian, guess what.......there isn't an option for shadowscales.

So, if something happened with Argonians not being able to be born under a sign for that anymore.......

hmmmm...maybe, other races can't have birthsigns as well...........it's called an astrological event.......signs no longer grant a magical bonus to anything..... from space.

Yipppeee!!!! regardless of what some Todd guy said.......geez, and one argonian left means that's it pal.....that's all folks

Well, that same mage in Oblivion or Morrowind looked into their spell book and cast a spell to open the lock.

Of course there's not an option, there's no [censored] birth signs, are you daft? We already know why there are no birth signs. It has nothing to do with lore, or 200 years, etc. Todd already told us why, pre release.

The only "message" that you seem to be getting across is that your logic and your logic alone is infallible and that's the only way it can be. That is folly.

Everyone has an opinion. No one has the "right" one. We are playing Bethesda's game. I happen to agree with their evolution of the series. I don't play TES games because Oblivion was Morrowind 2 or Morrowind was Daggerfall 2, and I didn't hope Skyrim was Oblivion 2. Thank GOD that it wasn't.

I accept and enjoy each TES games as a new invention, each game is a redesign of the series as a whole as far as gameplay and mechanics go. And that is perfectly fine with me.

You, however, cannot accept that. It's Merari's way or the highway. That is absurdly childish. You need attention from parental figures.

Here's the thing - he can loathe every single change ever made if he wants to. That's his prerogative. It is a perfectly valid, subjective, opinion.

I am just tired of being told I am wrong when I present well thought out and rational evidence to showcase -why- I like the changes that were made, and -why- they work better for me than in the past.

But instead of saying "I see your point, but I disagree, and here's why" I am told "No, you are wrong, it doesn't work like that, here's the truth, learn how to play Elder Scrolls better because you obviously svck"

(Yes, "svck" was used towards me by Erandur because of how I feel about Skyrim's features compared to Morrowind's.)

That kind of response does nothing to make me want to "see" their point of view.

So, actually that Argonian in Skyrim may be the last birth sign holder known to exist ......

Time to assassinate him.


mauhahaha

"Merari this, Merari that."
Seems like Im doing something right.

:wears an extra hat:

I have a 'Dr. Doom' character that combines heavy armor and destruction. I've also played craftsmen who can pick locks but don't act like thieves.

They're just jealous of your red hair and Surf drumming abilities..

Well and here is the difference - Skyrim has perks. Lockpicking is a skill, chalk full of perks. A skill that requires investment in it.

If a mage could just go into their spellbook and cast a spell, or a warrior could just bash the lock, that would be 100% unbalanced, and essentially -gimp- players who do invest their perks into Lockpicking.

This kind of thing was balanced in Morrowind or Oblivion. Leveling your Alteration skill high enough to cast an appropriate lock skill was the same thing as leveling your Security skill high enough to pick the lock (Oblivion's flawed mini-game aside...)

But it is imbalanced when one method of doing something requires perk investment and the alternative way of doing it doesn't require investment.

Where i agree with your last part about how you shouldn't look at it as a stealth skill, i just don't understand why bethesda would cut unlock spells. i mean, more content is better, seriously. yes, my mage still does use lock picks, but i still cant see why beth thought that less utility spells made mages better off. i see what they are doing, i really do, but i just disagree with it.

It doesn't require any investing. You can pick a master lock from the get go. Spells have prerequisites and magicka cost. Nothing unbalanced at all. Do you even read what you type?

Check my post above yours. I may have ninja'd you.