Things that you can't suspend your disbelief over?

Post » Fri Jun 08, 2012 7:27 pm

Oh boy, where to begin?

-I can become Arch-Mage at level 12. Yet until level 50, there will always be random mages in a cave somwhere far, far more powerful than me. They even have more health than [censored] Trolls, and can easily one-shot me with their spells while mine can never go upwards of 200 damage against their thousand of HP. While we're at it, I can enter the College without ever having cast any spell by using a Shout. It is said that ''we have a lot to learn from each other''. This is never brought up again, and I can end the questline and become Arch-Mage by never using magic, ever.

-I become the celebrated Harbinger of the Companions!... Yet I didn't do the Radiant quests so now Aela orders me to go to some nondescript house and kill a wolf.

-Immortal NPCs. More than enough said.

-(Most) Daedric Artifacts being weaker than upgraded and enchanted Steel gear. Stop worshiping those posers and just buy my stuff, people. Less gruesome curses, dark rituals and human sacrifices involved to boot.

-Going around barechested/with a fur bikini in Skyrim at all. Ok, the Reach I guess is midly acceptable. But everywhere else? Looks friggin cold. Oh, and what about dipping into the certainly freezing cold Sea of Ghosts and coming out no worse for wear? And yes, I know Nords have magical Frost resistance, but that doesn't mean you can just go around bare-chested in freezing winter just fine. A Cold mechanic that would hurt you outside of the Reach if your body wasn't covered would have been cool. But then people wouldn't have been able to live their fantasies of playing a hot chick fighting in a bikini, I guess. That's far more important than the world making sense, after all.

-I can use a Fury spell on a guy and make him start an all-out brawl. After the guards kill him and the people who took his side, nobody cares about the dead body(ies) in the middle of the street.

I guess I will have to stop there. My list could take about 100 entries at this rate.
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Post » Sat Jun 09, 2012 2:34 am

That's pretty much the way I look at it. I'm a little more forgiving with video games as far as suspension of disbelief goes than I am for books and movies, simply because I understand that there are some compromises that have to be made in a game in order to facilitate game-play, such as the bottomless back-pack and technical limitations such as NPC population levels. If you were to strive for as much realism as you might for a book or movie, the game would end up as more of a simulation than a game, to the point where it's become perhaps more realistic, but much more tedious and a chore and not fun at all. Verisimiltude is fine, absolute slavishness to realism is boring. I have more fun playing games if I don't get real persnickety about realism.

Personally, "game play mechanics" (like bottomless containers, NPC population leves, geographical distances, time scale) do not challenge my suspension of disbelief at all. They fall under "it's a game". The poor usage of NPC dialogue (Farengar Secret-Fire, I'm looking at you! Don't tell me to go the the College at Winterhold, I'm the Frackin' Archmage!), the lack of reprecussions for my actions
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("I saw you at the imperial wedding." Then why aren't you arresting me?)
, and the complete lack of urgency for ANYTHING (I like the open world, but maybe some quests should have a timeliness about them) does put a bit of a beating on my suspension of disbelief.
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Post » Sat Jun 09, 2012 4:43 am

When I sleep at an inn(especially Whiterun) the song the bard is singing continues the following morning from the time I went to sleep. When I go down the stairs everyone is heading towards the door. Must have been a great party that night since everyone wanted to stay.

Sometimes I actually think the NPC were brighter in Oblivion.

Another funny one happened when I was fighting a dragon in Dawnstar. Pretty epic battle and unfortunately a guard was killed. Everyone stands around looking at the defeated dragon and then one of the guards comes over and questions me about the dead guard.

Oblivion did a decent job when it came to people commenting on your actions and other news in the Empire. "You are the hero of Kvatch, this is truly an honor" Or when I was in the mages guild and they would talk about the events happening in the other cities. Of course people also said the stupid "I saw a mudcrab the other day" comments, but overall I think it is superior to Skyrim in that regard. Everytime I go to Whiterun I hear the exact same things. "I work for Belethor", "Been to the cloud district lately?"

Although I did laugh when I was looking in a barrel outside a store and someone walking by called me a bum and to get a job. That was unexpected and hilarious.
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Post » Fri Jun 08, 2012 9:55 pm

Where are the pheasants?
In the apple trees.
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Post » Sat Jun 09, 2012 12:05 am

I honestly thought that they'd go a route similarly to radiation in Fallout 3 by making so the cold could affect you in Skyrim. Would it have been more immersive or more annoying...? I don't know.

Thay could've repurpose Fallouts radiation system for it. Some zones are cold (radioactive) that reduces your body temperature (increases radiation dosage), with the temperature going up in warm locations (outside cold zones). Also armor and clothing could have different heat insulation properties (radiation resistance).
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Post » Sat Jun 09, 2012 2:23 am

Immortal NPC's. I can kill dragons, but not some old dude from the blades whose been living in a prison cell for however long and must surely be suffering from Vitamin D deficiency and therefore his bones be as weak as putty. Surely a orcish waraxe should see him off. How about a blast in the face, point blank range, from a fireball. Dragon Shout. Nothing kills him. But if you've completed the main quest, it doesn't make sense how you can defeat something supposedly like that, but not an NPC...

I really think they should have a toggle that allows you to kill questline NPC's. Otherwise you might has well have monster trucks and quad bikes instead of horses, and be able to call in apache air strikes when you side with the imperials in the civil war.
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Post » Fri Jun 08, 2012 9:42 pm

Swimming in glacial waters and not freezing to death.
Standing in steaming geysers of boiling water and not being scalded to death.
Standing in a fire and not getting burned.

Improving a bow on a grindstone.
Improving leather armor by hammering on it.

The really big one: Every predator in the wild being a bloodthirsty killer that will attack anyone and everyone- in Skyrim, a single wolf will charge unprovoked and attack a group of armed men. It's absurd. To be fair, Skyrim is far from the only culprit here; but just once, I'd like to play an RPG where wolves and bears act realistically.
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Post » Sat Jun 09, 2012 8:56 am

I can't believe everybody forgot how to make spells.

I can't believe that everyone but the Nords uses a condem. [only Nords have kids]

I can't believe this guard is fining me after I just saved his butt from a freaking dragon.

I can't believe how many times I've picked the same Nirnroot.

I can't believe how much damage I can do with a dagger.

I can't believe I run the Thieves Guild and the Dark Brotherhood and yet Maven Black-Briar lives.
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Post » Sat Jun 09, 2012 5:19 am

New best one, i killed the boss of Folgunthur, and a stormcloak courier runs past me :lmao:
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Post » Fri Jun 08, 2012 7:33 pm

I've got two, but I'm sure if I thought for a while there would be a lot more:

- I can fit my entire inventory into a tiny box or sack, including huge bulky armor and weapons.

Faq yes. Have you ever heard of someone stealing so many things he can't move? Inventory should be limited by space, not weight, which makes even more sense now that they've changed the penalty to no running instead of slowing you down or "you're over-encunmbered and can't move".

Which brings me to another point: I take off my heavy armour and strap it to my back(presumeably) and suddenly I ran just as fast as the naked Argonian? Forgiveable with boots while sneaking I guess.

These things break the suspension of disbelief because they do not make sense at all within the context of the game, not because they are "unrealistic in a game with flying lizards".
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Post » Fri Jun 08, 2012 11:58 pm

No occupation of forts when they're cleared.
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Post » Sat Jun 09, 2012 8:01 am

The really big one: Every predator in the wild being a bloodthirsty killer that will attack anyone and everyone- in Skyrim, a single wolf will charge unprovoked and attack a group of armed men. It's absurd. To be fair, Skyrim is far from the only culprit here; but just once, I'd like to play an RPG where wolves and bears act realistically.
Meh, I give this one a pass, because compared to other games Skyrim is FREAKIN OUSTANDING when it comes to docile creatures. In fallout3 even the BLOODY FLIES HURL MANURE AT YOU. I don't think wolves can recognise whether someone is armed though. Additionaly it's "explained in lore" by the loading screens and they don't want to make the game too boring. They lied a bit about bears though, they're REALLY touchy. Skeevers would seem far stupider than wolves, they're far smaller yet more aggressive.


Two more: Can't take mammooth tusks, you tun into a disbled person once you start floating(both in air and water). Is it so hard to jump and shout?

This one's slightly pushing it, but why don't beast races use their teeth?
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Post » Fri Jun 08, 2012 10:45 pm

This one's slightly pushing it, but why don't beast races use their teeth?

Actually, i think you`ve stumbled on an important one. Indeed, while fighting a creature it makes a lot of sense to make use of that bite as well. I know if I was slashing at someone with a sword and he happened to parry my blade, i`d take the opportunity to sink my sharp canine teeth into his hand or maybe even into his face! In fact this optional attack would make using a beast race an actual advantage over being a human race in the world.

On the wild animal front I don`t think they should attack everyone, don`t care what Bethesda thinks and as soon as a Mod`s out to change it, I will.
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Post » Fri Jun 08, 2012 8:38 pm

My FTW moment has to be getting shoved out of the way by a butterfly.

I was like "Wha......!? That's just not right..."
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Post » Fri Jun 08, 2012 7:50 pm

No occupation of forts when they're cleared.

I've noticed Imperials occupying bandit forts after I'd cleared them.
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Post » Sat Jun 09, 2012 5:01 am

I got one-shot at full health (450!) by a Solitude Guard, with an animation of him impaling me.
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Post » Fri Jun 08, 2012 7:51 pm

Mammoth skulls litter the ground. Literally tusks everywhere yet you can never take them.
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Post » Sat Jun 09, 2012 7:08 am

My FTW moment has to be getting shoved out of the way by a butterfly.

I was like "Wha......!? That's just not right..."

I had that happen earlier to me today. I was cruising down the road on my horse when BAM! I run into a butterfly and get pushed aside. Really? A butterfly has more mass than a horse?
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Post » Fri Jun 08, 2012 11:30 pm

"My papa could beat you up"

'Papa' is lying dead next to his son.
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Post » Sat Jun 09, 2012 8:56 am

"My papa could beat you up"

'Papa' is lying dead next to his son.

The game is full of poorly timed comments. Just yesterday I was fighting a Thalmor patrol. Right as I drive my two-hander through the Thalmor's stomach, lifting her up into the air, she says, "Is that all you got?" What? Killing her wasn't good enough for her?
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Post » Fri Jun 08, 2012 11:30 pm

I had that happen earlier to me today. I was cruising down the road on my horse when BAM! I run into a butterfly and get pushed aside. Really? A butterfly has more mass than a horse?

Evidently butterflies in Skyrim are composed entirely of dark matter.
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Post » Fri Jun 08, 2012 11:09 pm

Sounds plausible. Unless ebony is somehow closer to divinity, so it's easier to imbue with daedric souls.

It's from where the Heart of Lorkhan was sent plummeting to earth. Glass is just another metal.

And shooting someone in the face repeatedly is a big one. Why aren't headshots in this game? They're pretty hard to achieve. Enemies with helmets would be impervious to them, anyway, so it's not like it would make a marskan character overpowered.
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Post » Fri Jun 08, 2012 11:52 pm

I had that happen earlier to me today. I was cruising down the road on my horse when BAM! I run into a butterfly and get pushed aside. Really? A butterfly has more mass than a horse?

Had that happen too. Also by bees and dragonflies. I wonder if it would be possible to ride them (jump on top of them)? :lmao:
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Post » Fri Jun 08, 2012 10:15 pm

I do a quest for a jarl. He sees me standing there in robes, with fire and a summoning spell active, and rewards me with--iron armor.
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Post » Sat Jun 09, 2012 12:30 am

Had that happen too. Also by bees and dragonflies. I wonder if it would be possible to ride them (jump on top of them)? :lmao:

I don't know, but it makes pulling their wings off a bit more satisfying.
Evidently butterflies in Skyrim are composed entirely of dark matter.

That would partly explain why butterfly wings have a weight of 0.1 That's a bit high for butterfly wings. Though, that would also mean their bodies weigh a lot more.
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